đŸ€” Are Lootboxes Gambling?

great strawhat, very nice to look at, irrelevant though.

i guess following a conversation is too hard for you
 we were on the subject that buying something without knowing whats inside is gambling, i brought the kinder egg example, you said that the kinder tells you exactly what you get, but afaik its a pool of toys unless they changed it recently to a specific toy per egg
 Maybe i should uses pictures next time?

How in the world protecting a children and raising them arent related??? Please instead of trying to treat me like im dumb think what you write, those 20 years seem more like 5 suddenly.

Seriously is this your argument? One country caves to the sjw for some political votes and somehow that’s some sort of worldwide proof?
Going by that logic, since its not sanctioned as gambling nor illegal in 99% of the countries in the world, it’s not gambling.

Seriously, if you are going to try to make fun of me, at least TRY to have an argument.

Different products, completely unrelated, bringing that up makes absolutely no sense. Sure you buy coins to buy a specific skin, that has absolutely no correlation with a lootbox. You may prefer that, but that’s not the point we are discussing.

Very dissapointed you had resort to turn this into some kind of trolling and “look how smart i am using smileys to make fun of him”, i guess that speaks volumes of who you are. Anyway, it proved you are not capable of an interesting dicussion so, have a nice day.

Opening loot boxes resemble the behavior of slot machines. Wouldn’t you agree?

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In a purely technical sense, no. They’re actually a bit worse than casino-tier gambling. We need a different term for it.

Reward Obfuscation?

It was not my plan to talk about kinder chocolate eggs,
and you write yourself that you’re not sure.

Maybe others want to have an kinder eggs discussion, but I’m not.


I was already clear about this. Are you trolling ?


How can I be more clear



Then this wasn’t helpful for you.


You can build a circus around it, but I try to stick to the facts.

wait why can I see that you edited your post to go from children to people

I did use <ins>green</ins> to make the green mark,
And I did use <del>red</del> to make the red mark

More info here

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Lootboxes aren’t necessarily gambling because the contents are predetermined when you obtain it. I mean, I guess you can say buying a ton in hopes for something good works similarly but still I don’t think its gambling.

Can you get a gameplay advantage, or sell your winnings reliably for dollars?

So it’s worse than gambling.
All of the risks, exploitation, psychological manipulation and none of the potential payout.

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Gambling is more than having a bet.
I thought its about the experience you have as a user.

FYI - research-report-loot-boxes-English-publication

https://www.gamingcommission.be/opencms/export/sites/default/jhksweb_nl/documents/onderzoeksrapport-loot-boxen-Engels-publicatie.pdf

And the original dutch version :wink:

https://www.gamingcommission.be/opencms/export/sites/default/jhksweb_nl/documents/onderzoeksrapport-loot-boxen-final-publicatie.pdf

It all depends on, if you can buy them.

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Yes.

twentycharacters

Only if you pay for them.

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Yes


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Or I can do the same as you and rally other people that believe the same to support the current way, as I have 0 problems with it, since I earn EVERYTHING by simply playing (which I was planning to do anyway when I purchased the game).

Just because you believe to be right, it does not mean you are, nor does it mean you can dismiss other people’s point of view (I guess I could say the same for me, haha!)

But ultimately I am supporting Blizzard’s point of view, which is the one that has the more weight in this situation. It also has supported the game and the company.

You are in your right to demand transparency in ways to obtain the skins, and Blizzard is in their right to sell their products in whichever way they please.

I don’t think I know about this, care to explain?

As far as I am concerned it is, even if it has no monetary value, you still have the ability to spend money for boxes. Which is in turn akin to a slot machine, that still qualifies.

If we could only get boxes through in game means, then it wouldn’t be gambling imo, but then the game would need a total overhaul as to how it works.

No it doesn’t

Gambling needs to involve money to be such a thing, what exactly do you believe you earn from slot machines? You get chips which are then exchanged for real money

You’d have a case if you were talking about selling the account, then it would make more sense

He’s talking about the first Summer event when you couldn’t buy new stuff for coins. There was a 20+ page mega thread on the issue on the old forums.

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I believe one of the main reasons people end up with gambling problems is because they keep playing hoping to finally get a payout.

In this regard Overwatch does not run the risk that a person may consider it a way to improve their financial situation and then damage their financial situation as a result.

A person would not purchase loot boxes if they had a dire financial situation however many people would put their last few dollars on a gambling bet in the hopes they can save themselves from their financial problems - In this regard Overwatch loot boxes don’t run the risk of psychological manipulation or exploitation in the way traditional gambling does.

You are still putting IN money, that’s what makes it gambling. Hell you could even sell your account if you wanted to.

This is a difficult topic and it depends on the definition of gambling.

Gambling usually means you have a monetary gain (or loss) out of the game you are playing. In this way it is not gambling.

It does however take the mechanics of a slot machine (Random Chance, Flashing lights, sound effects) and implement it into something that you cannot get a return on when it comes to your monetary investment, this not only teaches children that they can just shove money at something to get what they want (falsely I might add) and it preys on people with addictive personalities.

I put it more akin to trading cards but you cannot trade and you don’t know the odds of what you are getting.