Uh, he also has a ton of dps output.
Zen is fine in my opinion and would rather buff shields again because when shields were stronger Zen was not a major problem. Consistent high damage is a problem that should be addressed.
I know some may not like shields being reverted but tanks are really fragile these days. Either buff shields or lower damage. Then lets see how zen is doing at that time. If zen is still too strong then nerf him.
If some people donât want to lower damage then I would suggest nerfs that lower their consistency. Like revert the soldier 76 change so he needs to shoot in bursts again, maybe a longer reload for ash, and for echo I am not sure.
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I find zen is easier, cause it a projectile and requires less percision. I do like playing but zen just feels like less work then bap cause you either arc grenades or aim at enemys.
Dmg boost in general is dumb af, because it becomes almost surely a necessary win condition in higher elos. They should all be replaced with compensation buffs.
They were in the game since the beginning of Overwatch and there were many times Zen and Mercy were in the lower tier of supports. It just that weaker tanks increases their value right now.
and sack of balls
bap and zen have completely different purposes tho
Zenâs surge in power comes from two things right now. One is how consistent peel is from Bap and Brig, and when you play Brig Zen in high elo, diving the zen isnt really an option. And when you canât contest the zen he is free to frag out
The other is his buffs; discord orb on tanks melt them combined with echo, hitscans, and storm arrow buff and his volley buff makes melting people who peek corner disappear. I think all he needs is 25% discord and he is balanced, heck even throw in the ability to reload while using orb of harmony to compensate.
Making lucio and rush more viable will make zen drop in pick rate⊠a lot
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Am I mistaken or shouldnât the issue of discord be resolved if it was only 30% for Zen himself and 20% for allies? Keep in mind, I have almost 0 clue about Zenâs base kit
He also has high damage. 
It would but I personally would prefer to make 25% for all, just to avoid the disparity.
5% actually helps a ton because the way Discord math works out and doesnât break any tresholds for Zenâs 1v1s.
Zen has always had trans, it seems the problem comes from discord. I personally donât see a problem with Zen, seeing as his mobility sucks and heâs still basically a projectile hero in a hitscan game, plus if Iâm not healer chances are Iâm playing Sombra anyways and I counter him just through that alone. Heâs also only now being meta after like two years of being F-tier(Outside of Masters and GM), stop nerfing Meta just because you donât like it. Zen is hardly the one to be stagnating the game the way other heroes have in the past.
I do think tanks need more to help them, except Roadhog and Ball because that would be actual cancer in lower ranks/average ranks.
This is something I have been wanting myself.
I would do the following to his orb of harmony then
Nerf
Orb of Discord to 25%
Buff
Orb of Harmony 50 healing per second
With an added AoE heal effect radius of 7.5m that gradually heals (30 heals per second) less towards the edge of that area
It would make Zen a stronger healer obviously ult charge would need to be recalculated to take into account Zenâs new extra healing
Youâre joking with that compensation buff, right? Zen just needs that nerf, not the buff. You would make Zen into a main healer that also has INSANE damage output. Zen can have a discord orb & heal orb out at the same time and is still able to shoot.
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Well then why isnât zen meta over bap.
Nope not really maybe he would needs some damage nerfs like a slower fire rate or 40 damage per second but i think he does need a compensation buff id you nerf discord
Moving all healer to a main healer role would be better for the game
Discord is too strong now, it must be nerfed very soon (like Echo).
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Ah yes my man
That literally makes Zen broken
Now he has Mercy healing but at 40m range instead of her 15 ???
And AoE healing on top of it?
Thatâs such a bad suggestion Iâm sorry
Zenâs healing should never go higher than 35 HPS
No, it wouldnât make him a stronger healer, itâd make him broken
He needs a 25% discord nerf, and no buff.
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