My point is that I don’t find it to be bad. If you think it is, go yell at games where it is ACTUALLY bad. Go to the diablo immortal forums or something. I actually find OW2 completely reasonable, especially considering that they need money to keep developing the game.
For sure. I think most people were too in shock and in disbelief it was a thing. Like it was a meme. We were so naive.
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It was Sooooo dumb.
I thought it would die instantly. I was like “there is no way on this gods green earth anyone would pay money for this”
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Okay that’s fine to think that. But know that if all gamers thought like you and didn’t push back, things will get so much worse, much faster.
It’s best to just be anti microtransaction right now while they’re still okay to you in this stage, than wait for them to get to a stage that they are not okay to you. By then it’s too late.
As RobotWizard said, we did this already with Horse Armour. Who cared? It was just horse armour. Nobody needs that, it was completely optional in a single player game. Nobody felt like they were missing out. Thinking that way, we were complacent. It was a super minority of people who outraged about it. Most just laughed at it, it was a meme.
Now it’s so much worse, and many gamers like yourself are still complacent.
We can’t see the future, but we can have a best guess. And we certainly can (and should) learn from the past.
What the developers shared about CP 3.0 matchmaking is all you really need to know. Ranks and roles do not matter, nor will they be balanced between teams. These “wide group” matches will probably be filled with solo players. Blizzard is better off making this game more casual to better support crossplay. Maybe, maybe not there is hidden match rigging nobody knows about. It doesn’t really matter at this point. Just enjoy the game for what it is and hope it’ll improve with time.
Okay and know that, just because YOU think paying consistently for a video game to be updated is a bad thing, doesn’t make it a bad thing.
I like microtransactions a lot better than something like WoW, which i paid $15 a month for, for years.
Interesting take.
I will also admit, that WoW was one of the best games I’ve ever played, because it had constant updates, and was constantly being improved, BECAUSE I paid $15 a month for it.
I do prefer the microtransaction model of OW2 though, where I just don’t pay if I see something I don’t like.
Yeah…
I don’t think Slid thinks it is a bad thing for game companies to be paid for updates.
Sure, hell, I was a coder for MMOs and lived and died on our subs.
Seems fair, but I don’t see putting heroes behind paywalls to get access to is reasonable in a PVP game.
As Slid says, we all have our “this is too far” and they have already crossed it for me.
I think the skins cost is way too high, but I’m not going to shell out for it, but thanks for everyone else who does.
The issue is that we went from horse armor to here, and there is no signs on them slowing down. I wish we took the fight back then, and forced a different path.
Not everyone deserves to.
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And without all the information you couldn’t judge if their is a fishy manipulation going on 
tf2 had it’s early source code version leaked and now it’s full of bots. Trust me you don’t want ow2 code to be released.
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Agreed that is where the actual evil (if there is such a thing in there) would exist.
But I keep away from the MMR calc, and I honestly, do not want to know what people do with it.
if the matchmaker is rigged, i do not care, because the rigging doesnt apply to me nor any other player ive played with or watched on twitch. they all play exactly like their rank would suggest.
if the game is rigged and for some people for whatever reason worsens or betters their aim, i wouldnt care because in all the years ive never met somebody in game or in real life who was telling me anything about it. in fact the first time im hearing about it is here in this thread.
so either micro is correct and theres “reverse aim assist” or their mouse is broken.
ive had to swap my mouse multiple times throughout the years it happens.
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I’m dumbfounded that this thread is still going
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i am absolutely not surprised, since this is the US forum. i mainly go here to be entertained by the worst takes anybody has ever had about anything.
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i am impressed with OUTSIDE’s commitment to his bit, although im beginning to think its just a bot at this point. 2 arguments are used, and then the wording scuffled around to make it seem like (it) is making a new point.
IF the system is broken, then my skill drunk should be the same as my skill sober, and since my sober account is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than my drinking account, we can with verifiable proof say that the MM is working.
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lmao outside be like “the system is broken. prove it isn’t”
smh
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Yep. Prove the system is somehow magically free from the scummy practices this company is known for.
Quite reasonable, actually.
That’s not how verification works. Those are weak correlations like “do work get paid”, but you don’t know what you’re actually paid, or how much work to earn what amount. You’re not proving the rank structure is correct and free of handicapping. You’re not showing MM fairness and you’re barely scratching the surface of what can/cant be in-game. Collecting personal anecdotal evidence is totally insufficient to prove anything deep about the blackbox. It doesn’t prove the system works internally without anything sus or buggy.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
That kind of take just sets gamers back.
Gamers ought to know the truth about how the internals work.
Having guarantees it works also builds trust and authenticates the competition.
Everyone should be in-favour of seeing the code/algs that hold you accountable. Everyone should be able to audit that for a fact there is no mechanisms like SBMM/EOMM/DDA in-play. A well-built ranked system is simple and non-patentable. It’s not some corporate secretsauce that breaks and handicaps. There is nothing for bad actors to exploit or reverse-engineer (beyond what we have now).
It just does it’s thing according to basic competitive scoring rules.
Who is honestly not wanting to know how they did on tests and how it was scored?
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I would recommend better quality aluminum foil for their caps. Some people have become really paranoid with these phantom “made-in-blizzard bots”. 
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Johnny was mean to his sister and he once kicked a cat, therefore johnny MUST have tortured and murdered that homeless guy.
Nobody’s debating that the system is perfect, but you have zero evidence that rigging is implemented in any way.
We have no evidence to suggest their implementation is free from erroneous or nefarious code. We have no evidence the algs actually map people properly, or that the ranks are assured to some quantifiable integrity level. We have no evidence to suggest they’re not implementing any of those documented, official patents, despite motive and intent to rig.
We have nothing to assume it’s working correctly.
Which makes detailed skill value assessments effectively meaningless.
You should NOT defend a system you have no idea works.
It is disingenuous to accept corporate blackbox system on blind faith.
The systems designers created it it, with an implied claim that they got it right. The onus is on them to prove it works, which has not been done.
There should be calls for transparency, and every gamer should be in support of transparency.
The easiest way for them to prove it works is to just make it transparent. Post the code/algs that are used in-game. Nothing rigged, nothing to hide.