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This game was the result of a combination of the matchmaker giving me incompetent teammates and giving the enemy team competent teammates that actually seem to work together as a team. It was QP, but even so this level of imbalance is a bit absurd.
Also please excuse the gameplay, It was late when this replay was recorded.
I mean in this scenario, the only acceptable result is a stomp, no offense. This is a team game.
so basically you are saying that is widows fault? i mean ive had the same games with no widow on either side. a one sided stomp…
actually here is a game i had a bit ago… where our team STOMPED the enemy team. the widows were on the enemy team and yea i made them switch off or ineffective…as SOMBRA (both dps’s tried widow 
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replay is FVSSA3
Exactly. it was NOT the fault of either Widow. The both widows had a relatively low impact on the game.
You probably think that the Widows made the match unplayable because of the one time, where the enemy Widow killed your Widow and Juno, and that one scene where YOUR Widow used her ult and you where to afraid to move because of the enemy Widow behind the barrier.
Like you looked at the enemy Widow the whole time, while you could have used your Teleport the whole time, while you where in a area where the enemy could never have seen you, since she did not have Infra active.
Sorry, but pls go back and watch that replay again and instead of thinking, “I hate Widow, she makes that game unplayable” think “What could I have done better/differently? What did my team do”
The whole game is a Tank/Support Diff, maybe even a Comms diff.
I didn’t try to tp flank because I would just kinda die. I’m playing sym, not tracer lol, and the 5 second distraction i would give to the 1dps and 2 supports that would potentially turn for me before i’m forced to retreat wouldn’t be enough for a play because this is qp and no-one comms. I thought that our rein would maybe walk into the building to displace the enemy widow, (or at least force their rein to drop shield for a sec so our widow could get the pick) so I wanted to be somewhat close in order to follow up on that / provide shield pressure on the enemy rein, but he just kinda stood there and did nothing.
She may not have infrasight up, but she (and the rest of her team) certainly seemed to have ears, and the aforementioned heroes would’ve probably turned when they heard the TP sound cue.
I couldve swapped to genji or something, but i’m not the best genji and the widow’s supports had their monitors on so i probably wouldn’t be able to secure the elim.
Also it’s a moot point talking about my team because I can’t really control the decisions they make and if I try to dive the backline solo they’ll probably not be of much help.
Oh absolutely, but my point was the Widow exascerbated what would’ve been a hard but winnable game into an unwinnable one because she dissallows squishies from even attempting to make plays, leaving the onus on the tank to do something about the widow before the rest of the team can do literally anything at all (and my supports repeatedly trying to contest the widow and getting killed for it because they believed the forum idiots that say that that is at all remotely effective really didnt help matters.) If the widow were playing literally any other dps we could’ve (not easily, but we could’ve) won that game.
No, you could have used TP the whole time like you did when your Infra run you. just circle within the building and you can port to the payload, while never be in the LOS of the Widow instead of staring on a wall.
The sound queue of teleport is fairly quiet vs other things. I doubt that they would have noticed.
Also with this distraction you could have allowed your team to move. The enemy Widow and Reinhardt just stud there in the window. Port to the Payload and the enemy Rein might have left his Widow, allowing our own to kill the Enemy widow while Infra was still up.
Again, the Widows where not a big problem in the game and Sym is a good option against Rein. What I meant is thinking about Placements of turret, your position and Pathing, Target prio etc.
the Widows where a non issue in that game. What if they had a Pharah? or a Mei? Or Bastion? or any other hero.
Again the Herochoice does not matter in those ranks, your skill on you hero matters.
You can win games in Bronze as Widow only using SMG if the enemy is bad enough (just as a extreme example).
thanks for calling me an Idiot.
I just KNOW that its quiet feasible to do so, since I know its effective from experience on both sides. As the Widow getting killed or the Support getting the kill.
No you would have not won that game.
Sorry but calling this match unplayable because of Widow is a joke.
I am really interested what you would say to some games I had in the past if you consider this unplayable.
As I said this was sort of a bad example because I didn’t really have anything good on hand because all of those replays were long gone by the time the forum really started complaining about Widow after they started seeing how completely busted she is.
that really wouldn’t’ve happened unless my rein challenged him. If I tried to flank solo the 2 supports / 1 dps would’ve just turned for me and I would’ve been forced out before I could do anything.
not really… I also have experience on both sides and that experience tells me that the support on the other end maybe has the time to get one shot off before they get domed at pretty much no risk to the Widow player, while the support is gambling their life to potentially get a pick, the Widow can just sit back, relax, and click their head after dodging the projectile(s). (and even if they die then they can potentially be rezzed at 0 risk to the mercy) I tend to punish a lot of overzealous supports that think that labor under the misapprehension that Lucio is a widow counter as well. Just dodge the first volley and then kill them for basically free. It’s a hitscan weapon, it’s not rocket science, nor is it in any way as unreliable as you try to pretend it is.
If they had any of those 3 instead of a hero that completely shuts down everyone but the tank for basically 0 cost then the game would’ve been far more winnable, because our tank clearly was worse than the enemy tank. If my teammates and I were allowed to make plays, then we could’ve had a chance to reverse it, but we didn’t because Widow makes it all but impossible for squishies to try and make plays while she’s alive.
interesting what you’re implying here, but this was QP, not comp, so you really can’t judge my rank based on the other players in the lobby, and as I said, this was recorded quite late at night after a long play-session, so my gameplay was a bit worse than it usually was. Also I was playing Sym, aka the worst DPS in the game, who really couldn’t do much against anyone but their Rein.
Yes, and I would’ve been more reliably been able to contest said tank and supports if there wasn’t the constant threat of being one-shot to stop me from peeking anything at all. Like I said : hard, but not impossible.
Oh trust me, I have had far worse games against Widows, and far harsher stomps with widows on my team, this was just the first replay I had on hand that sort of showed what an issue Widow can be.
you’re heavily exaggerating because again, there was no Widow issue in the match. Both Widows had near zero impact.
funnily enough the enemy Widow was always in the backline and often not able to see the fight, so you where not in danger of getting oneshotted. Your widow on the other hand, was almost always in the front line, did flanks and such.
I know it its QP and not comp, but that does not matter, everybody still has a skill level and the best way to describe is the ranks.
that tells me that you do not really play widow.
Kiriko is one of the hardest heros to hit and she can two shot widow quite easily
Zen can oneshot Widow with a volley
Battle Mercy is very efficient, but it uses an ult.
Lucio is a very good counter, but it takes skill to do so.
Ana is risky since she needs 3 hits but with utilizing quickscoping you can make yourself quite difficult to hit.
for lucio to be effective he needs good and fast movement, going in, killing the widow in basically meele range and get back to his team. Not trying to snipe.
And what rank do you have oh competent player
Ow2 isnt a team game anymore.
as. widow player, STOP shooting her. If you are zen or kiriko do NOT attempt to shoot her.
If you land a shot on me i need to actually think and consider stepping back into cover.
DO NOT SHOOT THE WIDOW.
Stand stillin LoS and let her send you back to respawn.
Do not contest the widow ever. otherwise I can’t focus on insta killing your dps.
And this mentality is why most people are trash at this game.
im a terrible widow but if the enemy team leaves me alone and doesnt even try to contest me then its a bad sign for them
i missed A LOT of shots in this game but when i did hit them they made somewhat of a difference. i was never contested but only in long range. guess no one knew how to play a flanker or someone who could contest me. only in the end did one of their team went widowmaker to try and counter but it was too late. i think this was more of a team difference actually
replay is BEFJ79
next kings row game i won with widow was kind of crazy too. a hammond player trying to kill me and only me but he left his team w/o a tank… they finally gave up and danced lol… i didnt do anything in that game really just stay in spawn staring at hammond lol
replay is V5GMTR
Works out well for me. If 1 character can take out 3 or even 4 enemies with ease, then its not a team game anymore.
And who do you think is keeping the enemy team off of Widow? Widow can’t do that on her own.