A note on neurodivergence and Blizzard code of conduct

Correct that it isn’t guaranteed to stop all infractions but if people are going out of their way to spell words differently so not get caught by filters or aren’t using the tool and refuse to, then it’s more of oppositional defiance than impulse control. I fully agree that if the tool is being used (or not) and infractions continue, then punishments are entirely merited. I would even argue they are even more merited because you are actively not using or bypassing a safety measure.

Probably the hardest thing with impulse control issues is the pause to think before doing/saying something. Anything you can do to increase that delay and give more pause or help externalize the filter, the more likely they will be to think and reflect and be able to correct. Even having a filter pick up a swear or unwanted text and giving a message like these forums do “swearing is not allowed.” And not posting the text is better than the current system because it provides that additional pause for reflection.

Interestingly enough there’s a book on habit modification that I am a big fan of called « the atomic habit ». To break a bad habit you need to put as many obstacles and delays before the unwanted habit or behaviour. The more difficult it is, the more inconvenient, the less likely you are to do it. Combined with reinforcement (I.e. punishment) you get more effective results.

Behaviour modification for positive behaviours are similar. Remove obstacles that impede the wanted behaviour, making it easier and giving immediate rewards and you are more likely to get into those positive habits and behaviours.

The delay in reward vs punishment is also key. The longer the delay on either, the worse the reinforcement. Even more so with neurodivergent people.

While the book mostly focused on habits like brushing one’s teeth or going to the gym, this is applicable to all behaviours and habits. Some are obviously harder to modify but the principles remain the same and are largely based on neuro chemical responses in the brain. These are typically impaired in people with neurodevelopmental problems which is why a lot of medications are uptake inhibitors or stimulants to free up more of these chemicals in the brain and thereby lessen these deficits.

The filter stops you from seeing swearing, not FROM swearing. And blizzards policy is that even though the filter exists, it is not a free pass to swear and encourage people to report people who do swear. Therefor the filter is entirely useless and even with ****** appearing in chat you can go “oh he swore!” And report the person. Even though many swears can be used in a way that is not malicious or desired to be offensive. This is why the idea is to say “I want my curses to be censored so they never go I to chat.” If they aren’t being posted to chat, no *’s, no curses, it can entirely change how the sentence is received. No need for strikes on accounts, nobody gets offended, people who acknowledge their behavioural problems and want to be better have an option while still being able to be social, not feel hated or rejected. It becomes an overall more positive experience FOR EVERYONE.

There is no real need for custom filters, use what exists and then maybe improve it in the future based on feedback from reports. Eventually you might even get to a point where the game masters can focus on real issues vs appeals, validating bans, etc. And even all the processing power being used for things like défense matrix can be applied to other improvements to the game.

And while I can turn off chat entirely (and have in the past) I did find my win rates got significantly worse (from low plat to low silver) with everything off. Now with only text I’m more high silver, low gold. Hence the idea of an alternate solution.

Most of my interactions are arguably positive or neutral (to my knowledge because there is generally no knowing when you are being reported). I’m usually sitting at level 3 endorsement unless I’m coming back from a penalty.

I almost feel like even having a feedback system like baldurs gate would be an improvement. Someone reports you and it just says “someone didn’t like this :frowning:” as soon as a report is filed against you.

It’s almost like your parents telling you they aren’t mad, just disappointed.

Nothing makes me reconsider my choices more than seeing “Karlach disapproves.” In the upper left hand corner of my screen.

Apparently I missed this reply, but I wanted to address it.

I know you’re saying that some people have a condition that causes them to be toxic, regardless of their intentions. I’m telling you that there’s no way to implement a system like what you suggest that simultaneously punishes those who intentionally violate the terms of use, while also not punishing those who unintentionally violate the terms of use.

Blizzard’s stance on the matter is that each player is responsible for their own behaviour, regardless of any neurological conditions they may have. All players are treated equally in this regard. If you violate the terms of use, you must face the penalties.

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“…Nah.”

The issue with this stance is that while it’s a behaviour, the behaviour is caused by the neurological development of a person.

Emotional disregulation is a well know thing especially with ADHD. It’s one of the main diagnostic criteria.

And it’s not hard to implement my suggestion which is simply to allow me to censor myself through use of a censor tool that already exists but just applies it to my side and isn’t reliant on others to activate it.

Games regularly accommodate the color blind, hard of hearing and now we’re seeing alot of them accommodate things like arachnophobia, thalassophobia.

They want to say that suspensions and bans are all for the sake of prevention and dissuasion but at the end of the day it’s not a real fix.

The very forums we are using won’t let you post if your post contains a swear. How hard is it to put that same thing into text chat? And that also seems like a better solution than just waiting for reports to ban someone. You are actively prompting the person to stop and self reflect. That pause to self reflect goes much MUCH further at correcting the behaviour on the spot than a ban will 8 hours from then.

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Because that is boring and we shouldnt let the old church ladies win.

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Accommodations are one thing, they help people with debilitating issues play games that would be prohibitive. Issues that would send someone into a serious panic attack or make them very ill. But all of us (neurodivergent or not) have to come to terms with the truth: the world does not revolve around us.

The comms are for people to communicate with one another, not fling insults. If you have issues regarding that, the ‘fix’ is to turn off comms, not bring draconic censorship methods for the sake of a handful of people who can’t behave themselves (and won’t take responsibility for their own actions.)

You have been provided with the tools to make sure your issues don’t get you banned. If you’re not going to use them, that’s on you. Online games should be a good place to be, but that goes for everyone. Blizzard are not our carers.

I hate trash talk, I hate insults being masked as ‘banter’. I can’t tell joking and sarcasm from serious insults. So guess what: I turn most comms off. I recognise that my issues make comms less than useful for me.

People can’t fling insults, no matter the reason, and expect everyone to drop what they’re doing to cater purely for them.

If you’ve been actioned because you can’t accept that you cannot use comms without losing it, that is your problem, not Blizzards. Be adult about this: if you can’t control yourself, stop using comms.

You can put in as many censors as you like, people will find a way around them. More censors is not the answer. If you have an issue with losing your rag in games, then all the censors in the world are not going to prevent you from having a go at someone. Because you can BM in chat without swearing.

I want to make it clear: I game with a LOT of non-NT people. I am non-NT myself. And have gamed for the better part of a decade with many people who have ADD/ADHD. I live with people with ADHD. And I have seen the emotional dysregulation (even caught the brunt of it a few times.) But they all just turned off comms, cooled off, and then came back to apologise; because that’s what adults with ADHD do.

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No disrespect to your condition, but I will give you a take from a 42 year old man who enjoys the same hobby as you do.

If I know a game developer spent time and money on every single possible thing that may affect how people interact in a game, instead of making a good game, I’m not going to spend my money on it.

That’s not to say that taking all considerations, to include the ones you present, is automatically going to be a bad game. Only that the time and man hours spent have to be spent to account for any and all interactions. It is unavoidable that when you try to identify and implement a fix for any and all problems that may occur, this will require work.

As the average consumer, it isn’t worth my dollar to pay for a product that doesn’t suit my expectations.

In that, I would say the choice is yours. But keep in mind that with every hour spent on implementing these things less time is being spent on creating the game itself. And if the aspect is just to hire more people to facilitate these different and ever changing needs, then lets see just how much profits the company/s are willing to dictate towards this.

the simple reason as to why blizzard cant simply exclude ppl that are “neurodivergent” from their code of conduct is that its not their job nor can they realistically take ppl into account who might not be able to control their actions and therefor violate said code of conduct.

its a very broad issue and they would need to indicidually review case by case, reviewing diagnosis from those affected and whatnot.

you are in blizzards game. they have house rules. if you cant obey those house rules, you cant participate. its not only like that in blizzards games. no single multiplayer exists where people can hand in their diagnosis and get treated differently.

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