Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha moment where you’re like “tehe I’ll get them to admit it!”? No reasonable person would ever want this. That would be insanely petty and cruel. What purpose would this possibly solve?
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If it were up to me, I would keep 5v5 as the main competitive and quickplay mode and change open queue to 6v6. No doubt that it would STILL frustrate a substantial amount of players; however, that is inevitable.
That’s the only logical and rational solution to all this.
My fear is (and I’m opening up being honest here) that this scenario won’t be enough and they’ll try to keep going until 5v5 is stomped totally out meaning I gotta keep fighting this maybe forever.
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It is just not feasible to begin with. Even if both separate modes coexisted in unity, the fact that balance would be for 5v5 instead of 6v6 would already be a deal breaker for most. It would genuinely be impossible to balance for both while simultaneously keep both parties happy. Even if they could manage it, mathematically, people would be angry about compromises on both sides.
I do not envy the position they are in.
Thats how Garrett works. Making things up to stir trouble.
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That’s the argument they are going to make why me and other people who don’t wanna go back to camp vs camp be forced back into the ult fiesta with everybody else.
It b.s. like they can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
This just proves my point of why I was adamant to not bringing this back into the game in the first place. Its a trojan horse.
Hey, worst case scenario it’ll take months before we even see a 6v6 test.
If the game goes back to ult fiesta and poke the choke with tank defense cooldowns going off like a machinegun I’m not gonna get butthurt and just go play another shooter.
Lately I just downloaded Warframe and gonna try that out this weekend.
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I’m a pretty staunch 6v6 supporter and my take is cautiously optimistic but I need to see an actual concrete plan before I say whether or not it’ll be good/work.
Why are you lying lol
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Its just so crazy how not one genuine word has escaped your mouth in 1628 posts dude.
You cant go a single post without false claim after false claim, lie after lie, moral manipulation after moral manipulation, full of endless baseless fear mongering.
The fact that you’re still trying to pawn 6v6ers asking for co-existence as a “Trojan Horse” to actually just completely take over the entire game is hilarious like we somehow have the power to magically make the devs decide to kill 5v5 regardless of the new player metrics Blizzard would have access to.
You dont get to ask the devs to “show some consideration for 5v5ers” when consideration is all you people have ever gotten. 6v6ers have been given NO consideration what so ever, this is the first meaningful consideration 6v6ers have gotten and youre acting like we’ve hogged Mommy for the past 20 years of your life.
Youre trying SO hard to lie about 6v6er reactions being negative, when not one person on this forum can or has attested to ANYTHING youve claimed to see. The only people who have shown a negative sentiment about this dev post has been 5v5ers like you who legit are afraid of letting the 6v6 crowd have back the game the paid for, so afraid in fact that you wont even allow co-existence because youre so afraid the mean little 6v6ers are gonna eat your babies, rob your houses, and steal your wives
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We want co-existence! -says a bunch of 6v6er’s
The 6v6ers asking for co-existence is actually just them saying they want to KILL EVERYONE!!?!!111!!11><?!! and death to 5v5! -Garret, every singular last time somehow for some reason
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If you want it, you can have it. I was not going to finish it anyways.
I’ll ask again cause you guys will never answer this:
If 5v5 and 6v6 was in the game at the same time and you was the lead dev would you delete 5v5 and keep 6v6 in the game?
Let’s face it. Whether 5v5 or 6v6 is the better mode is more or less beside the point.
People will play regardless of whether it’s either format.
Look at me, for example. I’ve weathered my favorite heroes being blasted down to D-tier and here I still am.
Many players for the most part don’t continue playing the game for the format. They play the game for the heroes they fell in love with, even if it is not competitively viable, and even if it means dropping their SR in the competitive mode.
I think that in the mean time they should be focusing on the heroes that have lost their identities, and restore them — since that will actually keep certain people playing their game, regardless of format. Otherwise, we will leave for the first game that fulfills our needs.
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Crazy ask considering you know my take and its co-existence, which for some reason you despise so vehemently since obviously we 6v6ers are actually turbo-terrorists hiding our intentions to murder 5v5 in its sleep and overthrow the government.
You act like you have some magic “Aha!” question that’ll force out the evil 6v6er’s intentions to the public here but you dont, youre not clever.
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It really depends on how it’s implemented.
If they nerf the tank defense cooldowns (not just the shields), keep the tank ult reduction passive in as is at minimum to prevent crazy amounts of ult spam, fix some of the map chokepoints on some of the old maps, and make dive no total garbage for 95-99 percent of the playerbase then I might be on board.
The thing with that is I look at for instance the 6v6 adjustment patch that Samito cooked up with all these guys saying “yeah, throw that in the game” and that’s clearly not what they are going for.
6v6 is probably going to be a return to the same poke the choke ult fiesta spam-a-thon it was back in OW 1.
That is definitely the bigger concern for me.
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^^^^
This! Such weird behaviour.
Garrett, you’re a clown 
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Id love to have Genji and Hanzo’s identities back and its definitely whats driving me closer to quitting personally.
I despise 5v5, and its definitely killed my drive to play it nearly as much as I used to, but I always thought it would be good and fun to play both for aim training and for Genji since he’s the first character Ive managed to be interested in enough to main that hard.
But now S9 ruined health, ruined hitboxes so aim training doesnt even feel as nice in a world of Quake hitboxes without Quake movement, and Genji has lost his signature speed in 90% of scenarios and cant even nano-blade anymore. Character lost his spark for me, even if his identity isnt as “lost” as characters like Hanzo
For me despite my hatred for 5v5, S9 has done more damage to my impression of the game, without a doubt in my mind.
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Yes, the Ow1 game we all loved is gone and no matter what they do, including bringing back 6v6, it will never be returned to its former glory.
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You are preaching to the choir. I converted to a Reinhardt one trick because of season 9. Landing shots is no longer satisfying and I just cannot take the game seriously anymore which has actually been for the best. It has lowered my toxicity levels substantially. Now I can go out there and face my death with pride as the enemy team Houdini’s my Reinhardt straight to the shadow realm before I can react. It’s lots of fun. I do mean that, genuinely.
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This should not happen, as it makes tanks just more “janky” to play. The more realistic solution in 5v5 would be to reduce the potency of some of their abilities that cause problems for other tanks, and even other roles. This would improve the counter-swap issue. Of course, this is if you’re referring to 5v5. 6v6 more organically solves these issues.
This is not fixable. This is completely based on player skill. If you made Dive more free for the lower ranks, it would become absolutely oppressive at the higher ranks.
Pretty unlikely, considering the changes in existing tanks + the addition of new tanks/playstyles. There are so many extra tools to easily break through chokes and bunkers that didn’t exist in OW1, not to mention double-shield comp doesn’t even exist with all the changes that have been made.
We’ve already seen this in the 6v6 custom so far. Bunkers simply don’t work, since we have way more options to deal with them, even without changing our team comps.