5V5 OQ and 6V6 OQ are exactly the same game-modes, no one would care, this wouldn’t be nearly a good enough reason to reoptimise the game engine.
The reason we are even having this 6V6 discussion is because of 5V5 RQ, because of 1-2-2, because solo Tanking sucks and the devs have no God damn clue how the HELL they can fix it.
You can have your 6V6 OQ, I don’t care. You can keep your 5V5 simultaneously, I don’t care.
The reason we’re fighting is because of 6V6 RQ, and because of 2-2-2. ANYTHING else, especially 1-3-2, is demonstrably stupid.
There’s not enough tank players to make 222 work.
Tanks do not want to play 132.
DPS do not want to play sustainwatch in 123 and queue times would probably also be bad.
6v6 is also doomed if it’s open queue.
So, 6v6 is just doomed. It’ll get some players for a time I have no doubt, but the longevity is not there. Overwatch isn’t a brand new IP with no competition from a company with a good reputation anymore. The gaming environment has changed in 8 years.
That would be so incomprehensibly stupid I cannot even begin to describe how much of a brainlet you’d have to be to make it.
1 Tank is the most excruciating experience in all of OW history. That’s only with 5 enemies. Doing the same with 6 enemies would be downright a mental disorder. You’d have to be terminally braindead to ever conceive of such a thing.
They already tried it in an Experimental Patch in OW1 BTW. It was the most garbage thing to ever come out of this game. It was the most unanimously agreed STUPID idea to ever come out of bLIzzARd’s filthy lying mouths.
It is a travesty upon democracy that 1-2-2 ever came about after that gameplay abortion that was 1-3-2. Solo Tanking is awful. 1-3-2 would ruin this sham of a game.
Stupid for you by all means, I had a blast with ball solo tanking back in OW1. Playing dps with a good ball in a full 3-man dps dive combo was amazing. Orisa bunker comps were also great fun. You do not speak for everyone simple as that.
If they actually put in the time and effort to properly balance RQ and OQ differently, I’d be more willing to agree. But as is, absolutely not.
5v5 OQ is currently a disster and has been since OW2 came out. Its just dominated by tank stacking because of the gigabuffs all the tanks have, and even with a blanket -150HP for all tanks across the board, multi-tank comps are still by far the best in the mode. If you pick DPS you’re basically throwing.
What they actually need is:
5v5 RQ needs to stay. A lot of people enjoy it.
6v6 RQ (or some equivalent role limit mode) must be added.
All OQ modes need to be converted to 6v6, or use the 6v6 balancing
I think anything else falls flat of a reasonable solution
The part thats stupid is that its already what we have. This is just what 5v5 is except one less DPS pressuring you, and it’s the opposite of why the vast majority of folks want 6v6.
a year and a half from now…when any actual decisions will be made (yall are in for a shock if you think this is going to be quick)…theyre going to decide that they cant actually find a solution that works…and they will either A) throw something out there alongside 5v5 that people wont be satisfied with (and wont be a good thing for the game - a 2 option solution is the worst possible choice) or B) scrap the idea altogether because its much easier to just continue with things as they had planned (and as they said who knows what state the game is in between now and then)
personally i wouldve preferred if they just had some balls and said “the game is X…deal with it” than going on a this long experimentation road theyre going to go on…but it is what it is
It would be simple enough to just give us 6v6 open queue and keep role queue for 5v5 in the worst case scenario. I am not overly concerned about it despite agreeing with you that they should just commit to their vision.
i mean id be ok with that…i doubt thats what people want though
which is why ive pointed out several times in other posts that simply saying 6v6 is being disingenuous…people want 222 RQ and they want it to be treated like it used to be (main mode level attention)
I am very sure they will try a mix between 6v6 OQ and RQ and one of the big ways they do it, will be the data that comes out of the 5v5 experiment where they do exactly that for 5v5 in S13.
This is an opinion stated as if it were fact, when it isnt fact
And no. 6v6 does not have to be 222. There are a number of ways to do 6v6, and i personally would prefer it not be implemented in a way that has already failed spectacularly
Not at all
Starting with the difference in player count
So no
No one?
I would
As would all of the many players who prefer roleless queue over the excessive queue times, absence of flex play, stale metas, and other severe problems 222/122 inflicts upon the game
Not at all
Some players may feel this is the sole reason the discussion of 6v6. But it isnt. There are other reasons
If we are going to attack something as being “demonstrably stupid” ,(not my choice of words), what i think fits that description best is to consider only one possibility when many possibilities exist
222 has already failed in a spectacular fashion. So to me, 222 makes the least sense of all possibilities
