You are arguing off points that really aren’t relevant. But to describe how much 1600 hp shield is, a orisa and sigma alone can output that much damage in a matter of around 6 seconds. Thats the difference, orisa and sigma can actually do crazy damage whilst shielding hence why they fit into the poke and bunker playstyle. Anyway, none of my first points were actually answered other than the fact that dive wasn’t meta outside of OWL and masters/ gm (btw it was still meta but rein was just a strong alternative).
No, I want Tanks balanced. And I understand balance has to be around the median.
The other tanks were nerfed because they crept too far away, the decision wasn’t to make everything else as good as them.
It’s just maths. Impartial maths.
Orisa was taken down too far however, I’d be happy too see the rest balanced around where Sigma is.
which is… sigh did you even read what I said?
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My recollection as a gold player(at the time) was that dive was prolific at that rank. It was not only at gm as the forums were full of people at all ranks who were tired of dive.
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The middle. The middle ranking Tanks. That would be Sigma.
My recollection was that Gold was not playing any degree of coordinated dive. D.Va was good, but Winston just wasn’t effective without good team work. Mostly it was about Rein, I have the hours on him to prove it.
On what basis do you rank this? Rein is literally a perfect tank lol
this is LITERALLY wrong.
On statistical data.
Of what? Overbuff? What are you ranking them on? you don’t get to just pick the middle one and go “yeah median”
comps aren’t fluid.
ex: i wouldn’t run winston in all comps.
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You recollect incorrectly then.
It was a major complaint that nothing but dive was being ran. Not just in owl. Not just in GM or Masters. But everywhere.
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Wait are you saying that sigma is the median??? Rein is literally garbage right now. He is actually destroyed by double shield. Like I said, you balance from the top down. Look at the most recent Your Overwatch video (High GM player), he says that in solo queue rein and zayra are the worst tanks at the moment.
No. Dive heroes were a complaint, specifically Genji and Tracer, usually because of smurfs and boosters for whom they were to go to heroes.
They even had terrible win rates in Gold anyway.
Very few people in gold played Winston or even Zenyatta.
And this opinion is backed up by the may melee data
I genuinely agree as far as solo queue goes.
Again, wrong… you’re moving the goalpost. So dive wasn’t in gold, but now it is, but now winston/zen weren’t run in it??? what??? I was IN elo during dive, literally all of dive lol
One minute we’re talking about ladder, now we’re talking OWL?
You balance the game from the top down and if you could read I said solo queue
Incorrect. I recall often the request in gold comp when I would choose Rein to the near instant request to go dive and play Winston. Thus why during that time Winston became my number one played hero.
Dive was prolific and tracer and Genji were dependent on dive tanks who pulled aggro.
D.Va was extremely powerful with 400 armor. Like, busted.
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And a requirement to counter tracers attacks. Where as Winston was needed to address Genji.
Dive was a comp that caused a loop of the existence of dive DPS requiring the need for dive tanks to counter them which would then encourage both teams to adopt dive against each other.
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There are dive heroes, and there’s playing dive compositions.
Playing dive heroes does not mean the composition is a dive one.
Tracer is, was, and always has been bad and rarely used in Gold. That’s just a fact. She was however insanely annoying to play against when you were up against a smurf or booster, she was the absolute carry hero of choice. If you faced one carrying though, that player didn’t belong in that rank.
Similar story for Genji, but less bad in low ranks as Tracer as he had a free pass killing Supports uncontested. A good one who didn’t belong there, absolute hell.
This is not the same as ‘dive was run all the time’, stats just don’t back it up, it was complaints of bad experience against bad people.
Winston however, not used in Gold. Zenyatta wasn’t used much in Gold where healing is valued more highly as more damage is taken.
You’re left with very few components of what dive is left in that case, and playing against one Tracer Smurf, is not paying against a dive comp.