The difference is that there are what nearly 200 champs (might be wrong) in league and 30 odd in overwatch.
Also in Masters. WR doesn’t need to be T5 to be considered good.
I still don’t think balance should be fully focused on Gold/Average players however, Balance should always pretain to the highest level of play, but you do also have to take into consideration what effect it will have on the lower levels of play, and make sure it doesn’t inhibit those levels, i have alot of examples i could give from Team Fortress 2, aka, the grandparent of Overwatch essentially, but it would be alot of time to explain.
Yes that is fair. Like I wouldn’t go buffing reaper because he’s not played in OWL (remember what happened when they did that). But we simply don’t have enough tanks in the game to just have some be only for low ranks. I don’t think you can nerf rein anymore without him falling out of the meta completely and that might only nudge the playrates for him in low ranks. I think that if one very liked hero was played slightly more than the other tanks that I would be fine with that, especially if it maintained the integrity of overwatch as a competitive game for high ranked players.
Doesn’t change the principle, and it’s not without precedent. Reaper was initially nerfed to 40% self heal based on being a problem at low ranks, the further nerfs came from OWL level.
Junkrat was reworked for similar reasons, to dominate less at low ranks while trying to make him better higher up, same for Pharah.
That is just a main issue with Tanks as a role in general, Blizzard can’t do much about it until Overwatch 2, which most new heroes will probably be Tanks and Support, we only have one confirmed Tank right now and it is Mauga.
I wouldn’t really think Reinhardt needs a nerf at the moment, i think he’s one of the more solid and balanced Tanks, i think Sigma and Orisa may need to be more focused on for now, and possibly Roadhog.
He was originally buffed to deal with GOATs at the top ranks but that never worked and as such we was nerfed back down to 40% from 50% because of the affect it had on low ranks
Exactly, then it came down to 30% because of his OWL dominance.
So these sorts of changes are considered for all levels of play. You can’t just say ‘top down’ is all that matters.
Yeah top down is mostly what matters. Put it this way, rein is only played in ow ranks because he is easy and fun. He is in the same boat as reaper and junk etc, not really good at high ranks and good at low ranks. Are you going to argue that every hero with high playrates in low ranks needs a rework (moira, mercy, dva, rein) because they ‘dominate the game’ when if you really wanted to, you could just play the better alternative in your games.
Its just silly because there are so little tanks and I promise anything can be played at low ranks even up to masters if you are good enough, and the fact of the matter is that no matter how much you change rein he is in that category of mercy and dva and will probably not change. If you genuinely want him to not be played you have to do the same for those heroes and basically make every hero playable at all ranks which is just not possible.
Why are you insisting on avoiding the actual topic ?
At least recognize you were wrong. During Dive, Rein was still the better main tank for 99% of the playerbase.
Again, same tactic as the last guy, I’m not going to admit I’m wrong because you want me to.
Rein isn’t used in a specific comp. Winston, for example, is. Rein is universal and consistent, Wiunston, for example, isn’t. Shields are good. Rein is good.
However, this doesn’t make Winston bad either. He’s good in certain situations, a situation being, well, a dive meta.
Let’s take another example. See how in the reports Mercy was CONSTANTLY used? That’s because Mercy fits into most comps. Mercy is universal. Now look at Zen. Zen only fits into dive comps with a Winston. However, that doesn’t make Zen bad because he’s played less. Zen is not universal.
Do you get my point here? Rein is consistent and universal and other tanks aren’t. It’s TOTALLY FINE AND HEALTHY some, not only tanks, but CHARACTERS are sometimes always reliable, good, and consistent, and others being situational.
despite what it seems, blizzard don’t intend to put a character into f-tier.
every character that ends up as f-tier is a failure for them.
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I don’t think anyone is asking for him to seriously end up in F tier.
I mean, isn’t it a failure that that is where other tanks are at most ranks in any case? Because Rein is so strong?
You’re joking right? The other tanks are in F tier? Rein Zayra are some of the worst tanks right not (Just look at the may melee)!!! He is only played because he is EASY AND POPULAR. So what are you gonna do make him unpopular. I certainly don’t see why you would make him any harder, especially given that half the heroes in overwatch don’t require any mechanics.
I just looked it up and when you keep it on all ranks, Winston is the worst tank with a winrate comparable to the super oppressive, overtuned, top tier, OP McCree.
And I’m going to throw one simple answer to your opinion.
D.Va.
D.Va used to be the universal off-tank, played in a variety of comps, thanks to her versatility.
And guess what ?
She was nerfed. Hard. Repeatedly. So either she needs to be massively buffed back, or Rein needs to be nerfed to her level. A level where he’s no longer universal.
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Rein isn’t an off tank with immense capabilities of damage and movement. Rein has very strict limitations.
Are you actually comparing current Rein to pre-nerf D.Va?
Rein currently deals more damage than D.Va, in OWL.
Rein currently has a higher pickrate and winrate than pre-nerf D.Va. And we have two more tanks now…
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Not in high ranks where the stats actually matter…
hahaha. No. OWL and currnt comp are two EXTREMELY different things.
How many times must I say, pick rate/winrate don’t necessarily equate to power, even if this was true.
Isn’t D.Va still used in the OWL anyways? Not that it matters.