I didn’t accuse you of boosting. I said that you were excusing the presence of 2-stacks that look like they’re boosting. IOW, I’m saying you’re trying to show that there are good-and-sound reasons why there would be a large number of 2-stacks (and larger) composed of vastly different ranks. Interesting that you took that as an accusation, though. You sure are defensive on the boosting issue. How come? Who cares if someone believes you’re boosting other accounts when you actually aren’t? Will anything bad happen as a result? If you aren’t boosting, then nothing bad will happen to you. Blizzard won’t ban you because of something someone posts on the forum.
I dunno. Maybe it’s because I’m an honest person that despises cheaters and takes umbrage at unwarranted accusations. And your logic is the Crucible one? That the accusation is proof or evidence? Because people would never deny lies about them that are borderline slander and then you assume correcting the record is evidence it was true. Maybe read the aforementioned play to learn how that pans out.
And what is nefarious? He was my friend back then where I used to rank and I grew while he didn’t. He wanted to play so we did. What other reason could I possibly need to follow all of the rules and play a game with a friend and even teach him some better play?
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I think this should be treated how Carl Sagan treated UFO sightings. With incredulity to improbable claims but seriously examining their reasoning and evidence to alleviate concerns. Or verify them.
For starters I would evaluate OP’s assumption that the enemy’s aim and behavior was anomalous and go from there.
I think aimbot junkrat would be easily defeated if it existed, tbh.
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But no one accused you of boosting. You made that up. Then you mounted a vigorous and emphatic defense despite the fact that I’ve already said I did not – and also did not intend – to accuse you of boosting.
I have no idea what you’re talking about here. I’m going to invoke Formosa’s Law on this one. You’ve got enough on your plate without me making it worse.
Honest people don’t vigorously deny false claims against them unless they’re actually harmful IRL. If someone accuses you of boosting on this forum, and you aren’t doing that, then nothing happens – it’s just more noise and the world keeps turning. Go ahead – accuse me of boosting, and see if I even reply.
I value my perception on the fora maybe? And you did accuse. You certainly brought up an irrelevant point otherwise. I was emphatic so there’d be no chance of being misconstrued by the likes of you in playing ‘gotcha.’
Before you can blame other factors your game needs to be fairly solid at your end. Lets be real here, you’re a sub-par player at your current rank and because of this everyone to you looks like a cheater.
Big deal you went 4-10-1 and had a bad night. Do you know how many times I have had a bad night? HUNDREDS!, you know how many I blamed on cheaters? NONE! 90% of the time it’s my lack of being a strong enough player game after game after game.Lets see what I can find on Overbuff
overbuff. com/players/pc/Valour-1744?mode=competitive
Looking at your activity for that 4-10-1 game session you went 0-2-1 on Ana. If I look at your overall on the season for Ana I see massive red flags. High damage and low kills. High deaths. Low Healing. Very low sleeping.
Using heroes kits incorrectly can have a huge effect on your ranking moving forward
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Thank you. I would actually like it a lot if what I experienced yesterday is a one-in-a-million unlucky collection of matchups. However, it’s not the first time things like this have happened; usually I stop playing after the third game or so. This time I took the position that I was not tilted and just wanted to see the depth of the situation, so I kept going. I played really well, actually, considering the limitations I was presented with.
The forum is littered with threads about bad matchmaking and rage at smurfs. I think you can generally include all of those as similar experiences to mine, albeit from different angles.
Excellent. I freed up some space on my hard drive and have started to record games, not just to show what I’m talking about here, but also to send to Blizzard eventually, and so that I can review my gameplay later and evaluate my decision-making. I have one from this morning of a Junkrat and a Hanzo as I’ve described above, but they each only killed me once and the killcams aren’t as crazy as they often are, so I don’t think it’s a good example. I want to show the really crazy Junkrat stuff, and the Hanzo whose bot is triggered by other red things on the screen.
I saw 2. One of my friends said we were playing against one the other day. Seemed legit to me but i trust my friend more (hes high rank), so we can say… 3 =)
I think your perception is skewed and you are missing parts of the picture. I dont want to argue anymore, so GLHF =)
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Not at all true. I’m not really complaining about losing. My original post says that I don’t care much about the SR and that I’ll earn it back once Endless September is over and I can play with people who are actually in Silver. I’ve spent most of the past 2 seasons in Gold, actually, and was only about 3 games down from Platinum for a while. Really this doesn’t matter much because I know what I’m capable of, so I don’t take SR too seriously. What bothers me is the low quality of the matches, due to so many boosting 2-stacks and dozens of solo queue cheaters/throwers.
Okay, let’s work with that a moment. Let’s say I’m a sub-par player at my current rank. Why does that mean that I think “everyone looks to me like a cheater?” You seem to be taking the position that I’m bitter that there are better OW players than I, and I’m accusing them of cheating because I can’t admit my limitations.
What have I said that led you to that conclusion? Was it the fact that out of 16 games, 10 of them had a Hanzo whose killcams were jerky/jumpy and shooting at all red things, unable to aim well unless Sonic Arrow was active? Was it the fact that 8 of those games had a Junkrat whose screen was all over the place and able to get ridiculous angles on unseen targets? Was it that both the Junkrats and Hanzos had, almost as a rule, the same exact skins despite being different accounts? That their playstyles were identical? That they had generally poor game sense and ult management? What was it that made you think “The reason why this guy thinks these people are cheating is that he sucks?” OWL doesn’t look like cheating to me. Overwatch World Cup doesn’t look like cheating to me.
Because you’re claiming the spammiest hero had an aimbot. Next there are going to be Rein and Brigitte aimbots. I don’t even know what a Junkrat aimbot would be as he has enormous splash damage being near an enemy with an explosion. It reads as if you’re salty people can use characters better than you can.
Yes definitely, more data is helpful. Try to present everything logically. Another important factor is to allow your argument to have a way to be proven wrong, which is important in analytical reasoning and will help you be taken more seriously. Know that your position is the weaker one regardless if it’s truth because it conflicts with others logic and personal experience and present your postulation accordingly.
Actually the reason why you being sub par would affect your reasoning wouldn’t be salt. It would be your ability to recognize what play others are capable of and possibly poor positioning or movement that would make you an easier target to hit and make others seem like they have amazing aim (I’ve seen people think this firsthand “their widow is really good” can’t hit me strafing in her los
This is just trying to be factual and nonbiased.
Right…
And what about your terrible incorrect use of Ana during that 4-10-1 session and on the season in general. Are you not gonna defend that at all? If Junkrats in 8 of those games were crazy why was your healing so low? Shouldn’t it have been higher since there would be more healing that needs to be done. Why is your damage done nearly on par with your healing? Let’s face it these were not aimbots and cheaters you faced but just poor position on your end + poor hero usage on average.
Post a vod of a game you feel you should have won but lost in the end and I bet a higher ranked player will spot massive flags.
Also between my 2 accounts I’m around 4500 comp games between silver-plat I have spotted maybe 3 aim bots and 2 wall hackers
The problem with silver and down is most of them believe or blame external sources for their being bad. The wont admit that standing still for 19 seconds is why widow decapatated them. Nope nope, was aimbot. Ofcourse it was. Its hardly debatable so it serves their purpose.
I play on console and you’d be suprised how many people blame hackers for deaths. I always try not to laugh while letting them know one cant hack ps4(currently)
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This is why I think bronze-plat have not had an overall skill increase.
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Could be lots of things. Though psycologically it’s easier for us to blame than take ownership for our shortcomings. Be it in a game or our real lives.
But Overwatch League doesn’t look like cheating to me. Overwatch World Cup doesn’t look like cheating to me. Someone playing well doesn’t look like cheating to me. In life in general, someone who has a higher level of skill than me at anything doesn’t make me think they’re cheating.
What looks like cheating to me is a combination of: crazy low framerates coupled with unusually high numbers of kills; screen jerkiness and rapid spinning/snapping to unseen targets such that it isn’t possible to process what’s on the screen let alone aim and fire at heads (or avoid motion sickness); people who accidentally shoot at things (the big giveaway is trying to melee a red thing that an aimbot thinks is a melee-range target) that are the same color red as player health bars and outlines; someone who perfectly tracks the center of mass of a horizontally-charging Reinhardt, then does a perfect 180 to the center of mass of the next target; locking onto a target’s head and never leaving it or correcting/over-correcting despite both people dodging like crazy; perfect aim but bad ult management and positioning; multiple headshots through so much traffic that the targets aren’t even visible; shooting a stealthed Sombra (and I don’t mean random spam); no communication aside from toxic taunts. These things do not suggest mastery. This is not what I see in OWL, even remotely. Coincidentally, these are also symptoms of cheat software, as seen in demonstration videos.
I do see people with really good aim now and then, and plenty of lucky shots. I’m not talking about really good aim here.
1800 LUL wat how you get that low?
Ding ding ding! There it is. “Maybe 3 aimbots.” Up from 2, I guess.
- I’ve seen maybe 2 (3?) aimbots ever.
- You suck so you don’t know what great players look like.
- Why would someone cheat in Silver (or wherever)?
Did I miss any FUD talking points?
Yet that’s what you’re doing. You’re making up wild claims like this:
…then you’re using those fantasies as facts so that you can assign blame. No one in Silver is “standing still for 19 seconds.” No one is standing still at all unless they’re about to disconnect, or behind good cover waiting for the rest of the team to arrive. And if Silver is filled with incompetence, then why are half the players (or more) in some matches so far above that? There are far too many for them to be random “smurfs,” and their lack of communication and poor game sense suggests that they’re not actually high level players.
(And no, for mentally healthy adults it is not psychologically easier to blame external forces for failures. More commonly, people take too much ownership of outcomes that are outside of their control, inventing personal shortcomings that don’t exist.)
What purpose does it serve you to make these things up? Why would you go out of your way to build that straw man on this forum? I truly would like to know.
It is no script. You are not being hounded by some conspiracy of Blizzard robots designed to thwart your noble quest to reveal the truth. You’re just someone who cannot comprehend people being good at aim and endlessly repeating the same bs about it on the forum, resulting in less irrational people replying to point out how wrong you are over and over again.
Don’t act like everyone else recognizing how rare aimbots are and pointing it out to you is not a valid argument just because you get told it a lot. You get told this so much because it is true.
There is noone aimbotting in this game, wake up.
You just need to roll up your sleeves and get to work.
Trust me, you won’t be disappointed!