I wouldn’t know, because I’ve never seen that in my hundreds of hours playing OW2.
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Nah you didn’t understand my message, it’s automated, that’s all, if you report the guy a lot he will be banned, not because he cheats but because he got reported a lot.
Not the same thing.
Even automated, requires more than one report from different folks, not a single person, If is suspect other folks would do the same. Either blizzard is lying or not on how they investigate, is their fault, if something is strange should be reported to be investigated.
Players have a tool, that tool is to improve the detection and fix problems. If they don’t validate the data, is their incompetence.
Just because their system is not perfect or you think innocent folks would pay for it, the number of innocent being hit by it would be minimal at best. That’s why takes multiple reports from multiple folks from multiple matches to reduce the chances of it to happen. That’s also why folks playing frequently with that same infractor are punished too.
They don’t, it’s automated.
That’s why I say people need to be careful with this.
Unless you work with them or worked with them, you can’t claim that. Is their word against yours.
One thing is having opinion, doesn’t mean it is a fact, tho.
Folks should still report if they find anything suspicious. There’s not be careful in this regard, if you suspect, you report. If was true or not is not your job to determine due you’re not specialist in the subject. You only give them a hint or suspicion. Whatever methodology they use, they informed how they proceed on how to handle reports. Either they’re lying or not, we can only speculate.
So, unless you have solid proof, not suspicion or speculation. Your both sentences are opinions not facts. What they stated is what we should use as reference, if they lied or not the burden of proof are on proving they’re lying about that specific subject. Until then, your affirmations are simply opinions.
So, in this regard. Folks still should report if they find anything suspect. Due folks aren’t specialist in the subject and that would enable for them to investigate.
All 4, but you are right there is no point.
It’s not like that because you can’t equate cheating in a video game to crime. One of which has real consequences. If you went to jail for cheating at video games then it may actually be possible to some day play a cheater free online video game.
But that will never happen.
Not to mention the number of times I have posted this in my naive youth so the trolls can re-troll. No thank you. With respect, I am of course not implying you are a troll, nay shudder at the thought, yet I’m quite an adequate judge as to whether people’s kill cams indicate they more likely than not cheated by through their unnatural behavior. It doesn’t take a streamer, let alone with respect a person let’s be generous and say “requesting” codes from the forums. No thank you very much.
However, I can most certainly confirm that at minimum on the balance of probabilities and more likely the weight of evidence I witnessed first hand indicates that cheating occurred in this match on multiple counts on both sides in a kind of power play.
Do of course feel free to rebut these claims as you wish, it’s amuses me and I’m sure somebody will find it of moderate interest.
Well I suppose if a person were to witness a member of their family being rendered “not alive” by an individual, that their testimony would be nothing without 8k video of the affair? Simply their word against the assailant.
I sometimes wonder if the authors of cheats don’t post to these forums. “Young lady, your family was not the victim of any sort of unsavoury act by this person as you claim, how dare you suggest this without a replay code.”
Its not a win or a loss whenever a cheater is involved its just a waste of time because it really shouldnt count. I honestly hope a banwave comes around soon as theres been a lot of cheaters lately. Most of the time I didnt even realize it until someone called it out and you start to notice a player getting their ultimate way to many times but yet their dmg or healing is low. Ive seen this a few times on genjis for some reason they have barely any eliminations or dmg but yet theyve popped their ult 2 times in a min.
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Then I’m sorry but it didn’t happen. There is zero evidence.
Since 2016 of playing Overwatch, I’ve seen extremely few cheaters. Maybe once there were 2 cheaters in a lobby but I barely remember.
Meanwhile this forum is crying that cheaters are invading this game…
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Since like you don’t understand the words I use I think it’s pointless to talk about it anymore.
Do what you want. ^^
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I understand, just doesn’t make what you say be justifiable about my post.
You fear about folks being punished by false report and you don’t trust their system. Which is a stance and opinion. But would only be valid if the system didn’t used multiple reports, from multiple sources across multiple matches for them to take any form of action.
Unless you disproof this, due is how they explained how it works, your fear and lack of trust is speculation. I’m not diminishing your opinion, I’m diminishing the impact of your opinion on reporting system until is proven to not work like this.
What they say and what they do can be different. But until it’s proof that they don’t do what they say. The impact of your opinion is just speculation. Which becomes irrelevant to the topic.
While I also distrust several stuff they do, I only position strongly when actually is proven that they’re lying or wrong. Til then, would be speculation.
So, unless you’re trying to say other stuff. My reasoning is about this:
“He got reported a lot” by several folks across several matches. Which, more often than not, is tied to repetitive behavior from the player, either toxic or cheating. Like I said before, even if is automated and can happen on innocent due false reporting the odds to happen would be pretty low, due requiring several random folks accross different matches to do the same. While cases of guilty persons would improve a ton.
Either if is automated ban or automated for them investigate. Requires “be reported by a lot of folks across different matches”.
Just report when think something is suspect. Is not false reporting.
That’s why DNA, forensics and reports of more than one person in the scene are used to get the whole picture. Both the accused and the witness reports should be confronted towards other proofs. That’s why on old days folks gone to prison due lack of evidence to refute something and also some folks didn’t for the same reason.
Today exist tech to see what happened on several aspects and can be done to disproof the witness if they false report. Similarly if several sources and witnesses claimed something happened they investigate those reports and cross reference with forensics reports.
There are several logs on client machine they have access through their software installed on users PC. Which is why, reports are a great too for them to investigate. They have tools, just needs a direction to use those tools.
Any human can be dishonest or lie. But until is proven, you don’t have anything. Question it is fine, but should be treated as speculation not a fact. Due until is proven is not a fact.
I’m not in any horse. They had in the past problems on their “thanks for reporting message”.
Those thanks can be tied to any report you did, within certain period. If your report led to actions to be taken you will receive it, but there are some stances in the past that you kept receiving the same message from the same report. They mentioned in the past due server sync issues, if I remember correctly.
The message is a feedback, but bugs and loops are fairly normal on blizzard spaguetti code. Mostly, all their patch notes comes with some bugfix.
It’s not that I don’t trust the system, I don’t trust people.
I know you just need a certain amount of reports to be banned and after that, to be unbanned, you need to be lucky to have someone instead of the automated message.
Nah it could be because someone doesn’t like your name, the way you play, your pick…
You are not wrong if it’s true, you are if it’s false, I agree you can’t be certain so it’s not really your fault and you will never know it tho.
True, that’s why providing the replay doesn’t help in game (or not that much) but it helps this guy knowing if he is good or bad at detecting cheaters (and if he doesn’t provide the codes, we can doubt a lot).
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Fair point.
About name, there’s the scramble name feature you can enable. About the pick, well… is not banable offense and if folks are playing with that said player they’re within the same mmr.
If you’re wrong, the report itself will do nothing. If said player receive several reports about the same thing, something is really wrong anyways either with the game or the said player. More often than not, would be the said player. Otherwise the said player wouldn’t receive that many reports about the same thing.
You can only do you, you’re limited, they have all tools. Your report just points a direction to be looked either by human or machine or both. Would be fairly easy to flag a player who abuses the system, reporting something suspect is not a bad thing due if that suspected behavior be constant is something that should be looked.
The goal is for that, not to punish anyone per se. Due everybody will be reported, eventually, by something. The difference is that most folks wouldn’t be punished or if they’re, they normally end up as warning and correct their behavior. About cheating I’m not sure if they send warnings, but often are tied to weird behavior in the system or iteration logs or video. At least on old days was how they approached it.
Yes, although replay can be a bit messy. Due having about 11 versions of it. Each player can have slightly different version of it and those being different from server one. Although most of the time replay would be fairly similar between themselves.
They often check background processes and logs. Which are more “trustworthy”
Like I already said, it doesn’t matter, what matters is the number of reports…
Wrong again, you reported him, so he needs 1 less report to be banned (for whatever reason).
About the replay, even if it’s not 100% accurate, you can tell if someone cheats pretty easily.
And remember, only the amount of reports counts, not the reason.
ofc you only report the enemy cheaters and endorse yours. Yours tried to help you win!
There are several categories about reports. Each one of them has their own thresholds. The odds of folks receiving the same report on the same category is pretty thin, most of the categories wouldn’t ban
And? If someone consistently being reported by cheating. Something is cleary wrong. If got reported by something else, wouldn’t activate the threshold anyways.
Not always, some versions of it will not show, while others do. That’s why each match can have 11 versions of it. They, mostly, have the server side version.
Actually both, a report from toxicity is not the same as report as cheating. One mutes you the other not.
So, reporting from different categories wouldn’t stack. Due report for communication has their own penalties, the report for throwing another and cheating another. Even leaving has their own penalties associated, that previously were reportable, now isn’t.
So, I really think that’s a case of exaggeration. While some false positives are bound to happen, that alone would represent a pretty small portion of the playerbase. Considering the benefits associated to it. The threshold could offset if by increasing it, if the false positive instances become that common.
Don’t get me wrong, but forums have some folks being banned saying that they were innocent. But the only case I saw til this day that the said players weren’t wrong, was related to VPN and china accounts (on OW2). While on OW1 had way less than those tied to VPN, the cases were very rare and innocent folks eventually got their accounts back, which were tied to a false positive software, more often than not.
While you don’t trust the people but trust the system, you should put more faith on the system due the overall amount of folks actually being banned by it still deserves the punishment.
Folks will abuse any system, that’s why those thresholds exist. For a person be reported by several randoms for the same reason, the odds of that said person was doing something wrong are pretty high.
Even on false positives, folks were banned by software not reports.
Correct. This has been verified.
In fact I remember reading a change that blocks non-group-unique reports so people can’t stack and bully people with that.
Basically yes. Theres also a time factor , because even if it took 25 unique reports to take action, if those 25 reports happen in 1 year span, is not the same as in 2 weeks , is it?
Correct again.
I mean no system is perfect and some parameters have definitely gotten some innocent people using certain custom software/macros banned but is quite low in numbers and they are tracked and reverted as soon as they find out.
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Could be, do you have proofs?
Same (and you can still get them with a different version, if they are different versions).
Btw it’s 5V5 now.
THIS is actually the only thing I will agree on with you, so you have some categories, doesn’t mean they don’t stack.
Where?
I’m fairly confident that Devs mentioned on developer updates and posts about it. Old Forums, I think current ones and several threads about the same theme but I dunno if they revisited the same assertions. A quick search I found those mediums, but I don’t have much time to dig through much of it, feel free to use it as source.
https://gdcvault.com/play/1025805/Dispelling-Common-Player-Behavior-Myths
https://youtu.be/rnfzzz8pIBE?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuuds5ybqZ6m8jHNwOLuFXJ
https://youtu.be/5P1Md792fF8?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuuds5ybqZ6m8jHNwOLuFXJ
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24061006/defense-matrix-update-season-10-and-beyond/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24085457/
https://youtu.be/HXG-c8joi4c?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuuds5ybqZ6m8jHNwOLuFXJ
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/30371
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/31422
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23934873/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23910164/defense-matrix-update-streaming-protection-features-and-new-actions-for-cheating/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23985150/undefined/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24061006/undefined/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24056254/undefined/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24009615/undefined/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24061006/defense-matrix-update-season-10-and-beyond/
https://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23857517/undefined/
Most of Dev updates:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAYFVhxsaqDuuds5ybqZ6m8jHNwOLuFXJ
That’s why I mentioned 11, 1 for each player + server side. Previously were 13.
They don’t. They said that previously, due each kind of punishment affects differently.
- Leaving games affects your ability to play games for a set period, if done on comp can ban you for a season, if you receive, I think 3 ban seasons, would ban your acc from comp forever. That was pretty old one, so the details could be outdated. I know they mentioned something about it under defense matrix update.
- Being toxic on chat, would eventually mute you and if repeats that mute penalty would increase to the point of actual ban if the behavior isn’t corrected and the time reach certain threshold. I think they mentioned about it recently but dunno much the details about it, I know the GDC link covered in depth the topic, tho.
- Throwing and afk has the ability to suspend you from playing for some time, scalating to actual ban eventually. That, I can’t find the source so, in this regard I would put much faith on this.
- Innapropriate battletag, prompts you to change your battletag but I dunno much about it. I think they mentioned something under defense matrix too.
- Cheating often are done through ban waves but they had systems in place to detect certain kinds of stuff and automatically ban it. They even tried to learn more about it through monitoring several mediums in the past. I think one of the videos from Jeff mentions it.
Report stacking doesn’t make sense due penalties being different between themselves, they split on different categories due how they deal with it are different. While they could increase the “distrust” on the account by counting how many times that said account was punished, reports themselves works on different levels and purposes but wouldn’t make much sense report stacking, although punishment stacking can be reasonable. Punishing someone from hacking would require the software detection, while punishing someone from being toxic would require a mix of several stuff, some of them would have expiration date of 30 days. In theory players can be punished by being toxic within 30 days if the behavior is repetitive in that timeframe if was harrassment from audio. Several reports in a single match would not be counted as multiple either. Those are explained on those links, which makes me be fairly confident on my say about each one of them has their own thresholds and methodologies to detect, analyze and take actions.
I heard at some place in the past about the 25 threshold, but I don’t remember the source. If I would bet, was under old forums. But The exact amount most likely would be different than that time. Several AMA on reddit, several posts on old forums and several posts were done in the past about several topics, some of those could be mentioned on them and old blogs too.Finding those would take time, but those above are the ones I found with some quick search through Forum, Blog/News, PlayOverwatch YT channel.
Devs in the past were really active on forums and most of the developer updates both on video and blog were really detailed about it. I think was about 6 years ago they made more emphasis on the report theme. But universally they often promote reporting and also highlights that false reporting can lead to punishment too.
Yawn. Oh look another “I been playin” “I ain’t seen no cheaters” “ever”
So I suppose all the content creators seeing 1-4 cheats a game posting videos are making it up and you, some forum troll is right.
Or… you’re trolling. A trolling troll? It could just be!
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