Abathur is good too. I play both and Abathur was far better support since the beginning.
And if i donât want to play zarya?
Then I guess you werenât feeling that up to shielding in the first place. if you liked Tassadarâs kit, itâs still there. if you like shielding and supporting, Zarya has that for you.
Trying to keep both as they are/where is just two halves of a hero kit.
Two psi-storms, two âtickle beamsâ, two walls with one having the same flavor nods of the other such that, by comparison, one is mostly a shield bot, and the other is not.
It would be âbetterâ if the change was paired with another hero from the old dregs, but Tass was pretty much a split hero at the point where he was rebuilt around his shields having life-leech and then balanced around enabling the meta at that time.
I think part of the issue of hots reworks is that overly changed heroes have versions that essentially become martyrs in a playerâs headcannon, and without a direct comparison of multiple versions together, they just hold a better impression of the nostalgic version.
The downside of that is that other aspects of the game have changed away from the fantasy vision, so the imagined past wouldnât necessarily jive with the split of the ânowâ. (I donât think âold old oldâ generic-laden tyrande would hold up as people remember her for being healer & dps, but part of that is from power creep in the game)
It would be kinda neat if there were ptr-type brawls where multiple versions of the same character were available to be picked, esp in the case of role-changers like Tass. However, direct comparisons could come down to a numbers game and the more âopâ or stale designs may seem âbetterâ if they simply have better damage numbers rather than talent variety or team utility.
And then you are going to tell me to play zarya when medivh becomes another generic mage?
I donât like the principle it is very dangerous.
Whatâs next you make zeratul a pushing hero with escavate bush ability to make minions whistand one more tower shot with some xelnaga artifact and tell me to go play genji if i want to kill something?
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Medivh is more than his invuln. he has his portals, which is probably one of the strongest supporting abilities in the game. So no, there would be no replacement for medivh.
All I am saying is, medivh is more support than tassadar was, who only had the support role because of his shields. And upon removal while keeping everything else near identical⌠(With only some things moved to talents but still) He becomes an assassin.
What would prevent them to make some portanus from OW and make medivh generic mage 2.0?
Or make gigantus mountanus and make garrosh twinlol varian 2.0 ?
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Look. Not saying adding Zarya when we had tassadar wasnât a bit weird. But I doubt theyâd make that same mistake again. Iâm sure they will make sure every new hero has a very unique identity from now on.
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The purposes of Tass and Zarya were extremely different though, even though they both had shield on allies. Saying that just because Zarya has shield now she is the same as Tass is completely wrong.
They have a thousand differences, but letâs just start saying that youâd never pick Zarya with a hypercarry.
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Right but they still keep those differences. They just removed the one similarity that made them compete too much with roles. But tassadar retained all his other special abilities, and Zarya was left unchanged. Now Zarya is the official Shielder as it should be. And now tassadar without his shield can further flesh out his role where before shield was holding him back as this horribly unbalanced hybrid.
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Because the old tass sucked, was not picked and had no purpose?
It aint a shame to throw that away.
Their shields did different things though. They were never just shields.
I can take your argument and say that we can delete most mages cause they do the same thing lmao.
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They were just shields. Honestly Tassadars shields were just better, at least for a while. Because they gave shields and offered leech. And that was the problem, he was too strong when paired with a hypercarry. It was never supposed to be that way. So removing them completely was the only option. As they would always be competing. Youâd either pick one over the other depending on which was the strongest at the time.
Now, itâs gone from tass. and tass is free now! he can be a real hero now! No longer bogged down by a terrible unbalanced mechanic that forced all his other abilities to be trash and for him to play like a mess. Now Zarya is the shield hero and if you need shields you go for her. It can be better balanced now with her being the only one.
And no, itâs not the same as saying damage dealers all do the same. As the shields themselves were too similar in function, where quite literally one would always be better than the other.
Big character reworks with new abilities or completely new kits are quite common in Moba games. We just got our first one.
Nah, not our first. Illidan was changed dramatically a long time ago during alpha.
First since official release.
Changing heroesâ skillset should be very rare if not should not happen again.
It is a dangerous slope.
Also aethetics matter too.
If tommorow zarya had the exact same kit as zeratul or medivh i would not play zarya.
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You canât please everyone. Sometimes you will have to be left behind for the good of progress, for the good of the game. There will be newer heroes that may fit your taste and you will move on.
No matter how much you people to defend your position, we still see that one of the supports of this game, despite the lack of heroes in this class. Not existing any more.
Many players are looking to play with Tasadar as a supporter, and his departure from this class has upset them and they will not be satisfied with any replacement with any title.
My main suggestion to the system is to make his role as a supporter. This class has at least as many heroes as possible. Why do you weaken this system instead of upgrading it?
Tass was picked with an AA hypercarry because his shields healed with AAs. Zarya was picked when you wanted more siege power. If you go Zarya with an AA hypercarry, you just lose cause no waveclear. Like, youâd never just pick them for the shield, but for what the hero brought to the game. They were much more than just shielding, and both shield abilities were much more than just shield abilities. Their purpose and mechanics were different.
Now they have to add another hero who had the same purpose of Tass before, otherwise they just killed hypercarry comps, especially the AA ones.
ps: I like the rework so far, but saying that one can just play Zarya and itâs the same, thatâs pretty bull.
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