CC becomes a problem if it is point & click. Remember TB has speed bonus, which allows it to dodge most skill shot based CC. You also have parry with protected at 10 and banner of ironforge which allows you to tank significant amounts of damage. Well timed Ws can help you withstand lots of damage, and only stuns and silences can really stop you, but the same can be said about taunt varian as well. And remember you do have a team, if the enemy team drafts for CC chains and your team has no cleanse or other saving abilities like displacements, then there is really nothing taunt, TB or CS can do about it. They will all die just as easy.
OFC, there is a lot to practice in order to play TB as an efficient tank, but it is not impossible, nor extremely difficult.
anyway
Taunt = vs mobility
CS = vs double mage / AA
TB = double frontline + jungle.
Thatâs about the flowchart for using varian ults.
I think youâre forgetting to calculate in said heroes abilities to gain armour as well of which Varian only has Ironforge Banner at 16.
In the case of Johanna you also forget both the unstoppable, the fact she ALSO has healing in her talent tree both her level 1 active and her heal at I think itâs 16
And to take this you need to sacrifice the ability to half the cooldown of of Varians actual peel ability the only one that can be on command the same way other tanks can be. Charge with the 50% slow is honestly the only consistent CC varian has on command if he takes warbringer.
So you choose between the CC of a main tank or the Sustain if protected is enough to bring him up to that level. While actual main tanks have both.
Statistically Twin Blades has a higher winrate then Taunt.
Irrelevant when talking about what he can do as a SOLO tank
20 second cooldown for the most mundane of stuns. Itâs not hard for an enemy team to bait out a 20 Second cooldown when itâs the only CC on the frontline other then slows.
And as I explained above you either take the protected or parry does nothing vs. Spells, and in taking protected you sacrifice your access to on command peel which can keep up with the peel of main tanks.[quote=âMaximus-12995, post:32, topic:29321â]
Another big problem with this is that while TBF gives more sustain and theoretical staying power, if the enemy team has CC and is even somewhat organized theyâll just lock and/or nuke you down before you have the chance to sustain yourself. Taunt Varian doesnât have that issue nearly as much due to higher health
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Taunt Varian has increased movement speed and should be able to dodge most CC especially in the aggressive cluster fudge you shoul be creating if youâre trying to solo tank with him, i you are youâre diving being aggressive throwing damage anywhere etc etc it hsould not be easy for an enemy to line up most of their CC on you
Again let me me iterate one more time
Varian, all 3 builds suck for solo tanking, you donât want him for solo tank and if you were dumb enough to draft it you deserve the twin blades you get.
I like CS the best. If your team is competent, you can burst almost anyone down. Heâs also pretty decent 1v1.
I didnât used to like Taunt because I thought it was boring but not its one of my favorite builds.
Twin Blades is fun, sure, but it really really depends on your comp and the enemy comp. Iâm not too scared of blinds because Overpower adds spell power to his trait so its not too bad, youâll still heal and do spell damage at least. Iâm just scared of a lot of CC. If you canât attack, you canât heal or deal damage. When that happens, and my team already has a tank, Iâll go CS 90% of the time.
My main point still stands
Varian has to CHOOSE to have the CC/Peel of a main tank or the sustain of a tank via his 10s
Thus he is an awful solo tank and if you were stupid enough to let a solo tank Varian through in draft you deserve the Twin Blades as the Varian embraces the aggression of the given comp.
also worth noting the only noteable buff was to Taunt Varians damage and minor health boost to Taunt,
I mostly pick taunt when i solo tank and i also ask my team what they prefer to have me be. But sometimes i just dont get any answer from my team so i just pick whatever i think will be good and hope it does not come back and bite me in the back if we lose.
Okay, Iâm just going to say my opinion. I think a solo tank Varian isnât ideal. However, in certain situations where my team just refuses to tank Iâd go Taunt Varian.
Hereâs where a solo tank Varian works:
When/if your team can focus your taunts and finish the hero you taunted. Your team would need the burst damage if youâre drafting so only if you have that, this will work.
When you need a small distraction to finish an objective, camp, boss, and so on. It allows you to distract the enemy from a distance while your team gets the job done and leave. Thereâs a super small window for your team so Iâd personally only do this if the objective can be finished or captured within that small time frame. This only works if the team actually attacks you and doesnât just ignore you.
He works as a meat shield and thatâs pretty much it. Yes, there are times he can taunt or slow someone to allow a teammate to escape but that might not always save someone. He has no displacement, pushbacks, or anything. Heâs a diving bruiser with a tanky build. So IMO, he is just a meatshield tank that doesnât necessarily peel enemies off of your teammates. He just soaks damage and slows enemies for escapes. He doesnât have the best kit for actual peeling. So⌠with this in mind play him like a big damage taker that can mitigate quite a bit of damage and heal somewhat. Donât expect to be able to peel for your team. If it works, great, but never put your money on whether he can. Also, for this to work, your team cannot be stupid. If your team doesnât know how to retreat or back up, youâll have a hard time.
Heâs great at follow up CC. Butcherâs charge, Murkyâs Octograb are some good examples. They single out a hero and those CCâs along with Varianâs can allow your team to get some free kills, if theyâre timed correctly. It works with almost any stun or root but its still really good if you can work with your team that way. This requires your team to work together to time your CCâs right.
Hereâs where a solo tank Varian doesnât work:
Any hard CC. If the enemy team has a lot of CC then Varian canât really do much. Therefore heâs just a tank thatâs going to get CCâd to death and youâll end up with 4v5 matchups for most of the match. He should not be first picked unless your team has another player who will tank for sure. He will always be better as an off tank or a bruiser. Avoid solo tanking if you can in draft. QM is QM just try to have fun.
If youâre team doesnât have burst damage. Goodluck. You wonât be able to finish much kills.
Enemy dive comp. If they have more than one diver, you wonât be able to protect your team. It would be hard to get them away because theyâll just shred your backline and forget about you because you deal little damage without your team.
If your team isnât tanky. If you are the solo tank and you have squishies as your backline, thatâs bad news. Theyâll just ignore you and get your backline. Oh big woop you taunted one of them⌠for 1.5 seconds. Good job and⌠half your team is dead.
If the enemy team is bursty. Varian has great damage mitigation and sustain but its not able to mitigate all of the burst youâll receive. And ranged burst heroes are even worse.
If your team is uncoordinated. This applies to almost any team comp but especially for solo tank Varians. If your team doesnât listen when you ping to back up, they donât focus your taunts, arenât grouped, or arenât good enough players to understand how a Taunt Varian works, then Varian just wonât be effective. HotS requires teamwork and coordination but if you have a solo tank Varian, this gets even more necessary. The last thing you need is to taunt a half health assassin but they focus the 100% health bruiser.
Varian has his place as a solo tank. Are these situations possible, yes, but very unlikely if the Varian isnât good, or the team isnât coordinated. Its possible to have a good experience with a solo tank Varian but its requires a lot.
Bottom line. Should you draft Varian knowing he will be the only tank? No, probably not. He will always be better as a bruiser. Iâve done it in the past only because I hover Varian and they ask âCan you tank as Varian?â and I accept because I think theyâre asking because theyâre better at a different role. More times than not, Iâve had a good experience as a solo tank Varian so for me, I like it.
Thatâs a personal opinion
The only time Iâve ever had success with Varian as a solo tank is specifically when I go Twin Blades because the speed makes it easier to move around and get in the way of the other divers and because the play it forces my team to adopt is much better then trying to match the tanks level of meat shield/Peel
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! Many people simply dont which is likely why it gets such a bad reputation .
