Having Orphea forced onto our character roster was like meeting someone I at first thought I MIGHT be interested in being in a relationship with, only to have them pucker up and force themselves onto me before we even agree to go out on a first date!!
Twas unprofessional to add a character that had so little writing behind them to the game.
Not saying it never would have been good to add Orphea, only that adding her only a few months after we even know she exists (I mean what, we only see her in like 3 short comics?) and creating a short cinematic as if that was enough, was not a good call.
Should have given everyone time to get to know her better. There was no need to rush things⊠._.
Like half the SC heroes have literally zero background at all though- they are simply units given a name. Thereâs no story behind them, no personality- they just suddenly appeared in the Nexus as their first appearance ever.
Consider that Tracer was added before OW even came out.
Also- while you may lament that thereâs only 3 comics and a cinematic- the Raven Lord whom she is tied to has been developed for some time, and some would say the opposite, that â3 comics and a cinematic is too much time spent on a character Blizz, we lost a raid tier cuz of this!â.
Or whatever it is we complain that weâve lost cuz Blizz did a thing in this game.
This is my main problem with her, i kind of can live with nexus original hero but i need to know that hero, i dont read comics, i dont like that format, let me meet her in event in game or let her replace for some time an annoucers so i can understand her motivations and character. before you releese hero you need to properly establish him/her
Except those units were pretty iconic, and some of them (like Siege Tank and Medic)do have very distinct personalities (which Hammer and Morales completely fail/donât even try to capture).
So in my opinion, iconic is the key word, and heroes can be iconic because of gameplay reasons as much as lore, but Orphea had neither.
Except tracer had still been established trough cinematics and comics (just like Orphea), as well as the OW website. Besides, she is a lot less âgeneric lookingâ than Orphea (and than most of the OW cast, really), which helps her become iconic faster/easyer IMO.
Not to mention, Tracer was already pretty well established and iconic to OW beta, and especially alpha, players.
@OP: I completely agree it was too soon. With the level of development the character had, she was barely more iconic to HotS than âConrad the rebel leaderâ was to TLV2, or Sven to OW.
Iâd say Orphea is pretty iconic- considering how much people are talking about her, and how everyone seems to know who she is and where she came from.
Then you have Hammer, Morales, Probius who I honestly donât recall in the slightest. Whatâs their story again? Whatâs their big defining moment? How well established are their characters?
Oh right- nothing at all. Hammerâs a girl in a tank they made up. Morales is a girl with a heal canon they made up.
I guess if theyâd said âoh yeah, Orphea is a twilight cultist from WoWâ then all this outrage wouldnât be here huh?
Joke aside, people would still complain âwhy this nobody instead of ?!?!â.
Oh, and also âwhy only one hero reveal at Blizzcon?!!â. That bit was a let down for me.
But Hammer/Morales/Probius/Blaze/Lunara and so on are on a different situation: As someone mantioned, theyâre based on iconic units.
To illustrate why itâs different, Iâll reword it:
Nobody was saying âI wish I could play as Lt. Moralesâ before she was released, but some were saying âI wish I could play a Starcraft Medicâ (there were several concepts and requests in the Suggestions forums, for example)
On the other hand, do you think anybody was thinking âI wish I could play a relative of the Tribute guyâ? Personally, I donât recall seeing that (which doesnât mean it wasnât the case, but still).
Yet thereâs many threads of people who are interested in playing Orphea, many who like the addition.
Many where saying it was going to happen when she was introduced, and the Raven Lord has been around for years now- and is clearly being developed as the main antagonist for HotS.
I know there are people who donât want her- but since introduced I think itâs clear thereâs a market for her, and many who are hoping that this means HotS is going to get more serious about having its own lore.
Of course, thereâs also many who do not want her or HotS to be anything more than an arena for Blizz heroes- but if we went off of what people donât want, then weâd never get another OW hero.
This doenât count, because they were added to HotS first, and to SC2 Coop after that.
That depends on wether you consider twilight cultist iconic in WoW.
Unlike, say, Deathwing, most heroes that arenât in the game yet would only be known to people who actually were already into the lore they come from, Orphea is no exception.
So some people who werenât so much into that specific lore are going to complain. For example, there were a bunch of people who complained about Yrel and Whitemane being ânobodiesâ that âno one asked forâ.
My problem with Orphea is that she wanât well established even in that lore, and the only way I personaly find it acceptible to add a new hero with no lore behind them is if they represent an iconic class or unit that was well established in their source lore.
In other words, I personaly think it was too soon for Orphea because Iâm close-minded that way
Orphea is fine (just read the comics if you already havenât⊠still i was rooting for the lady of thorns to be the first original character) just worried if she just power crept Gulâdan and Mephisto at the same time.
I have to agree that she should have been given more time for people to be acquainted with her as an individual or at least as a representation of something iconic as others have said. Releasing her without either of those criteria is kind of a slap in the face to fans whoâve been waiting for years for Blizz to finally release a hero that could have filled that role before they ever gave Orphea a comic.
Iâve said before that a lot of this could be solved with a PvE mode that gives a place to stick HotS lore in-game, where more players will see it. Even if itâs largely the other WC3 custom map âarchetypesâ centered on Heroes, itâd still have some noticable value to build up characters where players can see them
those characters are representations of unitsâŠtheir entire purpose is to be âthe siege tankâ or âthe dryadâ and such. Theyâre essentially there because you canât put a literal non-hero in this game.
Itâs how things are for better or worse. Most people donât do âextraâ stuff (i.e., doing more than just playing ) for games. Itâd be a lot better if the comics were viewable in the actual game. I think blizz really needs to start integrating the nexus lore into the game.
okay but they still donât have big draws besides âthatâs the thing!! wow!!!â until the aftermath of âokay i like their dialogue and quotesâ, they donât come in with any character. theyâre just tokens
like i wanted a Starcraft firebat hero to be Gui Montag from Starcraft just because thatâs a pre-established name and if he acted and spoke like Vinny from the Atlantis movie thatâd be bonus points, but iâm not gonna put Blaze up on a pedestal in comparison to Orphea while barking about how heâs got such a rich narrative and Orphea doesnât
I guess? Really, itâs about a reason to care about the hero, not necessarily the lore or anything. People are very familiar with units theyâve played with in other games Theyâve had lots of fun with those units. They hit the nostalgia buttons for people. They enjoy seeing those units. Theyâve come to enjoy the way it looks, attacks,ect.
this is all a much bigger deal in an RTS where all your interactions involve units.
I recently realized I have a bad case of double standards, because my most wanted hero for the game is Kyle âBlackthorneâ Vlaros, and Orphea is infinitely more iconic and well established than Kyle to most people.
So, fine, Iâll admit Orphea is fine and has mpore than enough lore behind her to be included now (since Iâm not prepared to admit the opposite about Kyle )
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