It should be 1 second or 0.5 second added every basic attack, not freakin 2 seconds. Did the devs never think that Archon would become permanent in some setups with that 2 seconds increased duration per basic attack?
Reduce the duration given so that he has to land literally every basic attack or lose the chance to maintain the ult. Just ridiculous.
Thatâs the whole point.
It was one of his few talents that didnât change, though?
And he does totally drop archon if you focus him. Knock him back and peel away and watch him flounder⌠remember he has to talent into Shift and it isnât invuln anymore. Heâs much easier to focus as he doesnât have an emergency button anymore.
Alternatively, be Muradin. Be Muradin and laugh at a phase heavy damage relying on AAs, with stuns, slows and aspd reduction.
Remember that now Tass doesnât have his mobility on E, so transitioning between lanes can be rough and you might lose Archon. Also remember that the abilitiy goes on full CD if Archon is dropped.
It is also a level 20 ability, so it is meant to be good and âget this to end the gameâ. Look at many other level 20s in the game and youâll see that this isnât even one of the best out there.
I had a match on cursed hollow, he activated Archon during the last tribute and maintained it all the way till he got to our core and finished with it still active.
Itâs just abit too rewarding, his kit is carrying him, not himself cuz he played horribly up until he got that lvl 20 talent.
the abilitiy goes on full CD if Archon is dropped.
I was gonna comment on this, was it like that for Old Tass? I canât remember.
Compared for example to Sonyaâs Berserk right on lvl10, extends 1 second per 10 fury, but CD starts upon activation. Itâs just possible to be on Berserk and have it ready again (or almost) when it ends, as long as thereâs anything to hit.
It used to work like Sonyaâs Wrath, but then it was just too powerful and they made it go in full cd after you lose Archon.
Thatâs fine. Level 20 talent that made him finish the game. Thatâs what level 20 talents are for. All of them are supposed to be good and help with ending the game.
Infinite Archon definitely didnât won the fight alone 1 v 5. Losing a fight at level 20 is usually the end no matter what talent you have, especially with obj.
I get what you mean, but again youâre talking in a general sense for something thatâs in the context of Tassadar alone.
Valla â increased range at 20,
Raynor â Increased attack speed at 20
Jaina â RoF blows up in middle
Tassadar â Permanent ult, Permanent shield + Shield recovery.
What does Archon do?
-40% shield
-Fully charged Resonance
-R-beam does increased damage and splashes
-Autoattack does as much as a Ranged AA
-Resonance gives shield generation
-Heroes hit have their spell armor reduced
lvl 20 talent â all the above permanent.
So in some other sense you could say that lvl 20 talent is the above while other heroes have a single attribute boost.
He becomes a strong ranged AA at the same time as he is a strong mage at the SAME time as he has shield and regenerates shield at the SAME time as everything said is permanent.
You have to kill him on the first attempt, if you fail to do so he will be back in the game stronger than before you attempted to kill him because now⌠youâll be at low hp and on cdâs and he will be back on full shield and HP with the healer as if nothing happened while still in Archon form.
I wonder why did nobody complain about previous version of endless Archon, who had 60 seconds max time duration with 2 mobile abilities (E/talented Q)? Current Tassadar has no baseline mobile abilities and max time of Archon is 12 seconds now.
Amazing.
Pros and high level players always said you just needed to get to level 20 with a Tass comp and then win the game because of infinite Archon.
Casuals were always like âARCHON SUCKSâ.
Now with nerfed Archon casuals are like âARCHON TOO STRONKâ.
Go figure 
God I have no reason to pick TLA at 20, because:
Baseline 12 seconds duration of ult are enough for me.
Khalaâs Gift has a higher winrate.
Turns out a team wide percentage bonus to spell power is pretty good.
You cannot mount and the shield does not recharge. Once you get out of a teamfight, you are restricted in your movement and cannot follow your team for a rush (no mount).
I usually pick wall cd reduction for more plays. I only really pick TLA if we are like sieging and about to make a big push to end the game or something.
What? In what sense does âpreviousâ Archon even entertain the idea of being anywhere near as boosting, buffing or whatever as the current one?
Im gonna disregard that statement wholesomely, unless you can clearify.
I personally say that it sucks but not because it suck persay, but because i think itâs too overtuned. I say something sucks when i feel that something is lacking a competitive path. And i always love to use KaelâThas as the perfect example of a hero that sucks in that sense. Considering to add Tassadar right next to him but im writing here to read different view points.
I had a match where he didnât even need to mount, or have mobility. Just simply stutter stepping between autoattacks to both increased the Archon duration AND generated shield, and he AAâd stuff along the way from the tribute all the way to the core and at the end screen Tassadar was still in that very same Archon form he activated minutes ago. Tassadar Generates shield, it doesnât say under Archon that âYou get ult but no longer generate shieldâ. He getâs it throu his trait which i mentioned.
On a side note, why would you need âmobilityâ OR âmountâ for the same reason if you donât even need it during the team fight. So if you donât need any of it to utilize the full potential of the Archon thereâs no need to try to belittle my point by saying stuff like that⌠The need for Mobility and Mounting are situational and does not impact the team-fight if itâs not needed and iâd say there are as many situation where you donât need it as you do.
The crux of my argument is that he can maintain the Archon during the entire team fight and generate shield the same, making him a powerhouse unlike many if not most heroes.
(a reply for the âlvl 20 talent are ment to win the matchâ argument)
He gets shield from 4 lvl talent, called Plasma Shield. He doesnât have shield regeneration as baseline.
Archon gives you 40% shield from max HP, what you canât regenerate or get back at all during Acrhon, only if you use ult again.
Old Archon was stronger and more dangerous because you had more tools for that. Hereâs why:
Thatâs the talent with the highest popularity, winrate and games played. The movement speed one is a mobility talent which gets picked least, and the wall talent seems to be picked in combination with Black Hole. Iâd say that talent is the âgo toâ for the Archon. Which in that sense you could still say itâs a genrator. Cuz during Archon the resonance is fully charged.
You get shield (15% from max HP) from this talent, but you still canât regenerate 40% shield back after losing it as long as you are Archon.
It is the most picked talent, but all of them have basically the same winrate, and the winrates are pretty close to 50%, which means this tier is actually really balanced.
Even though it is the most picked talent at that tier, it is picked only 50% of the time, so it isnât really a problem.
(this is all true both for SL in general and dia+)
Given how powerful Blackhole is, it kind of makes sense. Archon is an option for Tassadar to pickup some mobility and usually relies on Psionic Storm spam.