Generalist vs OTP, which is the best player?

[Sadius-21711]

@Narha-2553

I mean, you were definitely a Tassadar OTP, before. but I thought you only play fenix now?

I would, but at some point I stopped to play hots and moved into Dota 2 back.
I still play hots sometimes. But much rare.

[Narha-2553]

Because you were not just “expressing a negative experience”. You were simply insulting an entire group of people. It doesn’t help that you say “MOST OF THEM are like that” or “There’s a few people who are ok”.

@SamiSha-21964

OTP have a lot of stubbornness, even when represented with actual situations or math on consistency they seems to be unable to answer it in a lot of the cases.

@SamiSha-21964

Also this behavior is just so common but a lot of them have stubborn, elitist mentality that even debating suggestions is seems like absolute heresy for them.

@SamiSha-21964

Honestly? I’d rather see a generalist than get stigmatized by a one trick. They are just so unbearable.

Do you really think that this counts as “expressing my negative experience with onetricks”?

This is just directly slander. Insults to a large group of players.

Expressing dissatisfaction with individuals who happened to be OTP is one thing. But you seem to be expressing dissatisfaction with every single OTP out there, even those whom you haven’t met.

And that is where the problem is.

You aren’t saying “I really don’t want to play or talk to that annoying tracer one trick pony that gave terrible advice”

You’re saying “I don’t want to play or talk to any OTP”

Do you think it’s fine for such discriminatory statements?

Would it make sense to you, anywho, if I had a bad experience with, I don’t know, a tank main? And because he was a prideful jerk, now it’s only normal to put hate on all tank mains?

You yourself agreed with me that it’s illogical. If you know that you are being illogical, then why do think that it’s normal? okay? Why should we even listen to you in this thread, when you have a MASSSSIIIVEE BIAS against OTP? Every single word you wrote could be nonsensical hate-fueled rage typing for all intents and purposes, since we know that your stance against them has become so bad to become illogical.

You kept insulting OTPs in general and then you are surprised when people find that problematic?

[SamiSha-21964]

i think ive learned enough.

i appreciate this post and perspective, you are very much correct, it is outright illogical to use the actions of few to point it on the many.

ill consider this and hope to improve myself.

[Narha-2553]

I am very glad to hear it, Sami.

And I’m sorry if i went too far with my wording.

[Volun-1143]

@SamiSha-21964

Because they can pretty much succeed much harder with a far more better build?

That’s a kind of hubris to assume that you know what’s better for them. I mean they very well could be stubborn, I for sure am. But I’m also the one that has played all my games and knows my skillset better than you.

I mean I see you do this often on the forums arguing about talents where you’re just so sure of yourself, which is fine, you can have your opinions. But, to call someone else stubborn is a bit ironic.

@Narha-2553

It might limit people’s thinking and flexibility because they rely on the meta rather than figuring it out themselves and maybe making a new meta to beat the old.

Just wanted to say, I missed your posts Narha. Even if I don’t agree 100%, they’re always thought out and cut through the BS.

[Caipa2mic-2863]

@Fawxkitteh-1929

If you practice one thing, you will be good at that one thing.

If you practice being terrible with one hero, you’ll succeed at being terrible with one hero.
If you practice being great with one hero, you’ll succeed at being great with one hero.

I’d rather practice many things, and transfer skills between them.
It’s more fun.

If you practice many things, you can transfer bad practices between many heroes.

Sorry could not help myself 8)

[CHFern-2554]

@Narha-2553

I am very glad to hear it, Sami.

And I’m sorry if i went too far with my wording.

@SamiSha-21964

i think ive learned enough.

i appreciate this post and perspective, you are very much correct, it is outright illogical to use the actions of few to point it on the many.

ill consider this and hope to improve myself.

Quite frankly, I think you both have a gone a bit too far.

In terms for Sami’s opinion, there are very few OTPs or people who just generalized on one hero for one specific strategy to keep them going, and that forces people to generalize their picks to be built around said OTP or person.

It is definitely annoying if the “OTP” plays only one hero though.

As for Narha, you did seem to have gone overboard on that, it is their opinion for their experience after all, Sami did however generalize almost every OTP.

and I am an OTP (Oblivious Turned Player), which is generally offending.

[waterlong-1416]

In my experience, flexibility and creativity has almost always dominated one trick ponies but not so much so that OTPs don’t exist at high ranks.
And this goes for most games ive played, not just hots.

[Fawxkitteh-1929]

@Caipa2mic-2863

If you practice many things, you can transfer bad practices between many heroes.

Only if you practice poorly.
Looking at the minimap is important with every hero, getting better at that will probably help a bad player more than getting better at the different Artanis swaps or whatever.
Or getting better at positioning, prioritizing targets, knowing the range of enemy/ally abilities (which I guess is part of positioning), knowing how to use vision blockers to set up ambushes or juke, anticipating your opponent’s actions.
There are just a lot of general skills where it’s better to improve those over any hero specific knowledge or skills, unless you’re nearer the better end of players.

@AnnoyOrang-2765

may i ask what is your winrate and number of games for TLV (game mode and solo/party info is also welcome)

52.4%, not amazing but not below 50 at least.
103 games, only QM, only solo.
KDA 5.26
Average takedowns 13.54.
Thumb trackball mouse if that matters.