Consequential Ideas on a Budget

I’m not one of them, but you know this forum has an unusually high number of GM and Master players who post on a very regular basis? They post guides, they coach people from replays and in game, they give their time for free and add a ton of value to the forums.

Who are you again?

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You’re toxic too so I don’t see a difference

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I’m someone giving their time for free that’s a lot more valuable, to put it bluntly. Not only have I not seen what you’re referring to but you and them are insensitive to the big picture. All you do is deplore and excuse it (many simply don’t care), maybe come up with a half-baked or minor idea here and there that you abandon. There’s an inherent small-mindedness and passivity in all of you.

Down, turtle! Bad turtle! What have I taught you about snapping at people?

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Shut up dummy.

Reported.

its actually very easy to filter the quality master posts and posters but this turtle chooses to focus on all the spammers and “the game is rigged” bronze trolls

it amazes me those high rankers even bother to post in this dumpster sometimes when there are so many trolls who refuse to believe any advice

Point me to a single “quality master post and poster” here. Lol, I think you misunderstood Minky’s point despite unsurprisingly having an opinion on quality. It’s also unsurprising you would begin a sentence with a lower case letter and not finish it with a punctuation mark, but I digress. Minky’s point was that there are still people engaged with the game, including highly ranked players helping out others. My point is, aside from not seeing this much, that’s irrelevant to the larger issues that have clearly dominated the trajectory of the game. You, xSpeILx, have no idea what you’re doing in this thread.

This is one of the fundamental problems with gaming communities. You get a lot of people in them who just don’t have an eye for things, trying to put it as least insultingly as I can. Add developers and management who are dealing with similar deficits and Heroes of the Storm happens. Game with assets and potential, but it came out too late and Blizzard arbitrarily pulled support for it. wink wink

if you cant find the quality posts on the forum then you are beyond help, you only open topics and posts made by noobs

then you think all the community consists of noobs and trolls which is not the case

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I’m not referring to guides and player help, although indeed I’m not seeing virtually any of those (not that I care much). This thread is not about ordinary stuff, beyond which virtually everyone is a noob apparently. That’s the incredible thing. People are highly dysfunctional and all over the place when it comes to aspects of greater significance. It’s astounding watching them try to argue. This is not exceptional in the present times nor is it exclusive to gaming but it’s something you somehow have to punch through. That’s why leadership is important. Without it things get lost, misprioritized, and misunderstood in the cacophony. Where is the leadership at this game and Blizzard? It’s almost a rhetorical question.

High quality posts exists, and those who make them do it to help people learn. It’s easy to throw out a helpful thread when the urge to teach and interact spring up, despite all the sludge.

These two have their ideas, if we don’t accept them, the entire forum has no vision and have low IQ. When challenged one just flat out insults the forum while carrying on with a random word generator. The other fires back with some the most convoluted arguments while politely insulting the forums.

They expect other forum-goers and players of the game to put in work to fix it. It’s fine they want to fix it, but they post it here in a public forum and expect praise and recognition for their brilliance and effort, when they don’t get this, the Salty River flows.

You leave salt wherever you go in these forums. You continue to post daily when you clearly hate it here.

Why are you here? Why aren’t you calling Blizzard to set up a meeting to showcase your unfathomable depth of insight? Bring your pal along with you, his ideas will only go over our heads here. You might want to get over yourselves before you make the call.

That doesn’t change the fact you’re toxic. You just deflected by saying I’m toxic

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The assumption here is that - though I’m not sure I can speak for JohnFrancois - there is not much special going on. These are relatively simple ideas dealing with relatively simple realities. There’s not much to prove and expound; results are uncertain. It’s a matter of putting faith in the game and going from there.

If you say so. Though I didn’t deflect, I just responded in kind. Did you really expect me to agree with you? Remember the mantra.

Moses has entered the chat.

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Would Moses be the one dealing with games?

He would if he didn’t have to save his people.

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lol

That’s a sissy way of putting it. Low risk higher reward is another. The odds are stacked in favor of a positive effect, to what degree is what’s uncertain. The effort is low. Granted this “assessment” is excluding the powers idea that is a more involved project, and the battlegrounds stuff is not really essential. What I’m confident in is that the hero access and abusive chat changes are correct ideas that can be viewed as building blocks. I suppose a demonstrably justifiable word to use for the targeted problems is insidious as few attach a high importance to them whereas I believe their effects have done serious damage to the playerbase and its spending. The game is undermined when its gameplay content is highly gated and players are being banned willy-nilly. I think Blizzard have been failing this game at a common sense level and hurting their pockets in the process. There is rot inside this company. This stuff is too simple to be brilliant and has been discussed before. There are people inside Blizzard who are simply not good at their jobs and feedback relay is poor too. That’s the bottom line. Low communal norms are one thing, these mistakes and unresponsiveness from the development/company are another.

But I don’t care much for blame. What I want to see is some

Unlike the GM’s and Master players I pointed out who give their time here free to the forums and tangibly help the community, you posting your personal insults to that community here is valuable? Sure, okay.

Just reading what I’ve posted in this thread doesn’t support this criticism. Just because I point out the reality that many ideas realistically aren’t on a budget, especially for the current standing of HOTS, doesn’t mean I don’t care.

As opposed to your overcooked ideas? I didn’t mean that, but you’re beyond passive aggressive, like Jean (uncannily like Jean) you assume your ideas are gold, while dismissing or outright calling the ideas of anyone else posting as trash.

You and Jean, keep aiming your criticism at the community here as if anything we post or champion enough will somehow influence the Devs to make those ideas a reality in HOTS.

Again, HOTS is not only in maintenance mode, it is considered a Blizzard Classic. Jean has some good ideas (others not so good) which I’ve acknowledged and tried to engage with despite his frankly hostile attitude. However, no matter how good they are, most are not realistically on a budget and no matter how much you post them here, I’m very doubtful in the current state HOTS finds itself in they will be implemented.

No need to reply to me Jean 1 and 2, at this point I think your hostility is your method to help bump this thread.

Aside from the dismissive and hostile attitude of Jean 1 and 2, the complete arrogance of both makes it almost impossible to engage with their ideas. They emphatically state that the community and the Devs are “trash”, then claim in contrast their ideas are golden and nobody is as passionate about the game as they.

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GM and Master players have always been posting yet the community is clearly in the worst shape it has been. Obviously such players posting isn’t what moves the needle. Listen, at some point things are too simple to be explained to you. I’ve read what you consider to be engagement. In reality it isn’t; you’ve avoided discussing the actual ideas from the start yet attempt to claim some sort of higher ground. This is typical unconstructive and self-focused behavior. The irrelevant bilge is characteristic of gaming forums where people are trying to work out their issues rather than focusing on the actual games.

This game needs money and players while lacking resources. So it needs to work smarter rather than harder. It is chock-full of quality content few are buying at this point and fully functional. There are still supposed to be people working on it and Blizzard is keeping it alive. Focusing on a few simple ideas to reduce the stifling restrictions on the type of content players seek and protect their accounts is not much to ask for. Face it, you have zero clue what is feasible and what is not. You have neither discussed the specifics of the ideas nor what you specifically believe can’t be done. You’re just running your mouth, the same as virtually everyone on this forum. Stop deluding yourself you’re doing it from a position of knowledge and understanding, or even out of primary interest for the game. Most of you people merely hang out here. Why is a personal question for you to answer.