Assassins in ranked games without a warrior or healer should have to pay penalty at loss

Drafting penalty of 50 ranked points from all the assassins who didn’t ensure there was both a main tank and a main healer in the game. This way noone is forced to do it and the burden is shared by all. If they win, great the comp worked and they suffer no penalty. If they lose well they dont know how to draft and should be penalized even further as its a skill in the game. This could also help the guy that showed up to play and is now supporting/tanking for a team without a crucial element. Seems like an easy system to setup and it gives incentives for people to draft properly.

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Doesn’t exactly work if they had the first picks.

I’m guessing your last game was missing a tank and a healer. And that you didn’t draft one…

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nah im a healer main and last game was quite good. This is definitely an issue that needs to be resolved though because I literally locked in as our only healer and someone told me that If I wanted a tank I should have picked one…

Like I said, you can’t remove point from the players if they had already picked and THEN no support or warrior was picked.

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Happened to me once, last pick and no support or tank… so I took Uther and did both.

I get the frustration OP, been there but someone who doesnt know how to play a tank/support and is forced to do so will probably cost you the game tbh. There are enough fools out there trying to play assassin Khara with 0 healing talents as the only support on their team. There are enough tanks out there too squimish to commit to a team fight or who over-commit every opportunity…

I think Blizz should offer exp bonuses for tank or supports or something to entice players to play them more, and not force those players to fit into a role on demand when they dont have a clue what they’re doing.

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Actually, if you were better at the game, you would know that certain drafts are better without a warrior or healer

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Not saying I don’t complain on games like that. Like yesterday, when I got Artanis and our team got Aba and Ili… and then last two picks were Ming and Lucio, expecting me to maintank with Arta. Enemy countered us hard, the game was total stomp.

Was I angry? Yes. But would I give penalties like this? No. Why? Because last thing this games and leagues especially need is to have another way how to force people out of the game.
Usually people main something. Like, I don’t play healers. Only if I have to. I’m bad with them and can’t play them well. You force a healer on me and it won’t end well.

thing is, maybe you can ask people before to see what they play instead of punishing people playing assassins…

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Thats the purpose of the QM.
Force last pick in ranked to play random healer but don’t force people to play healer or tank in qm in order to instantly find the game.

i think that the game should see every one most played role and put at least one tank and one support player in both teams

damn, they could even get -200 pts like if they actually lost, screw -50.
oh wait.

If the match is a loss, there is their deserved penalty.
If they win, why penalize them?
I have lost many games to 4-5 assassins. Or 4 specialists for that matter - and it wasn’t Sgt Hammer. I recall there were such wins even in competitive.

I am-was a support main but what I started to do recently is quickly inspect each teammate for high level stats: this season PvP played per role, maybe winrate per role. I have 9-1 with Johanna. Simply allowing my team to play their best helped.

I have seen a D1 support main on Twitch. Picking support when someone else also did, prepick or double. She had instant karma, lost all such matches.

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If some1 thinks that the draft is best served without a tank or heal, when they’re just doing what THEY think is best (you may not agree and it’s ok, but they’re not doing something wrong on purpose; they may be just less experienced (or actually on most cases, MORE experienced)). And on the other hand, if they know they’re doing something stupid and expect to lose, well, they’re just trolling then - there are plenty ways to troll the game, not just picking no tank when 1 is sorely needed. Such stupid rules like OP proposes would not stop the troll, they would just hinder the rest.
Also, some people don’t really care too much about maximizing their chance to win, so they tend to hover around rank much lower than they could be if they actually tryharded. In this case, again, them doing something “stupid” does not lower your own chance to win (because they often do that and are playing way below their skill level), it just makes the game weird.

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There are very few tank/support players that could be recognized by that, since for most of game’s lifetime the meta has been 1 tank + 1 healer + 3 assassins = even tank/support ‘mains’ tend to have more games on assassins.
So that would mean that those who happen to have more tank/support games would pretty much always be ‘forced’ to play that, even if they don’t want to (and after 20 games in a row, they most definitely won’t want to do that again).
Nah it would be a terrible thing to enforce. Also, a lot of people may even refuse to fill, so that they “don’t ruin their record by getting too many tank/support games in” - just a needless system for added toxicity.

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That’s a very good example of why OP’s punishment would punish innocent people for no reason. The ming pick was optimal choice there (drafts with no ranged assassin can work, but are in general extremely hard to pull off and most certainly fail outside of coordinated team environment - it’s not inocorrect to go for that risk, but you have to admit that most people won’t want to do that). So why would he be punished for trying to save an unsavable draft (also, artanis can work as a main tank pretty well with aba hat with slows, it just leaves illidan a bit in an awkward spot, since he’s basically just waiting to hunt in and try to be useful, but can’t do much more)?
How would you devise a system to recognize that illidan or abathur was incorrect choice there? And if they locked at the same time, who do you blame? Or maybe they were showing that in advance and said they will go for it (meaning then artanis could be blamed for not going along with it and just picking a tank (well at least from their perspective, they’re of course still wrong to move along with the draft, even after it got prevented by first pick that destroys their plans (but, I mean, how many people actually THINK about what options the rest of players still have and what full 5man they will have after the last 2 picks - almost none)).

Yeah that’s actually a very good illustration why players in draft should ALWAYS police themselves and no external pressure should ever be put on that. Or you would just end up with ****show like LoL.

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@Biochemicas yoy dont happen to play on US?

Also no, dont punish unconventional/non meta drafts.

Lately that’s where I play most (I want to finally get a master in both regions and EU is done for now (maybe I’ll try GM at the end of season if it still seems achievable and not 20k points minimum)).

NA definitely has some weird rigid thinking and some even more weird preconceptions, compared to EU. E.g., whenever I pick nova on EU, the game just goes on normally. If I pick nova on NA, they just throw the game. Every single time (unless they finally see that even with their hard effort to lose, the game seems to be unlosable). NA tend to talk more though, but, funnily/sadly, some (surprisingly common) consider talking tactics toxic (that was a new thing for me, never actually seen that on EU XD).

Could say the same for Nova in Asia in both QM and Ranked - unless you have a KDA of 5 or 6 + and a solid 63% above WR, then you good.

I think i saw you in TL yesterday on Orphea on stream :smiley:

I have played some games on Orphae yesterday. But who’s streaming gold/plat TL games ? o.O

I still haven’t built up the patience to start my HL (which is my goal for master, TL is just kid’s play where ranks are meaningless (there’s probably more golds like me than actual golds there)). The damn HL queues in NA are 600+ sec XD.