Standard mage is terrible and it has been for a long time now.
Hopefully the rework brings more improvements.
Secret mage in Standard is almost good enough I think.
It wouldn’t take much to make it viable.
Based on HSR over the last day, it’s finally made it to Tier 2 in D4-1 and D-L, so the meta might have actually bought it some breathing room.
Hoping for more time to actually play this afternoon.
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Thank you for post, switched to secret mage and am doing better now, almost to platinum!
The deck actually feels like it takes a little skill to play, like knowing your opponents deck and when to hold off and when to play a secret, and there is more than just that.
Wild secret mage is very fun. You do have to get lucky with draws and mulligans in many cases. Thank god for Flakmages.
How to make an Aggro Druid concede: 101.
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It’s interesting that you think this, I wonder about this sometimes. Is there anyone who gets to legend in both formats can agree or disagree with this? I personally think it would be roughly the same for each mode considering it is still proportionate to the people playing, much fewer people play wild and thus far fewer people obtain legend in wild.
I just realized something very interesting too. The Chinese players have almost identical representation over wild and standard (about 50,000 legends per mode), so maybe if you are reading a Chinese forum people are giving heavy thought to wild, rather than every thread being about standard.
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Well, I find it easier to get to Diamond in Wild than in Standard. I do not aspire to hit Legend, too much grind, so I cannot compare higher ranks. It is also more fun, I think that Wild meta is more varied than Standard. Yeah, yeah, I know, Raza Priest, but I can beat it actually, so I do not care that much.
Wild legend can at times be easier because with so many cards and a much more laid back community you do run into quite a few more off meta decks on the legend climb. Not a majority or even a large amount of what you face, but it’s there.
Our aggro decks are also much quicker to rank with I guess.
But realistically standard legend is only really marginally more difficult, it’s the rest of the wild climb that’s easier because there’s so many meme decks.
I know what wild is like, I’ve hit legend back to back for a few months now. It’s standard I’ve never really had a proper deck for.
I don’t necessarily think many of the off meta decks are meme, just different. Like I’m playing a homebrew style jade druid deck right now and I’m finding the meta decks are not too hard and I’m actually struggling against things like OTK paladin more.
Though I did have most of the dragon hunter deck in rise of shadows and I made it to diamond something well, way too easily with about a 70% winrate and I was missing Dragonbane and a few other cards.
I didn’t say the off meta decks were meme, I said they were off meta, which is why they are generally worse then meta decks and as such easier to win against on average, which can make the legend climb easier.
but I’m saying they are generally better and I don’t necessarily think they are off meta because I see them enough, it can’t always be the same player, it’s just that I think the meta report doesn’t show a full meta.
I don’t think you understand what meta and off meta is.
For example, I would call something like OTK paladin as you mentioned earlier an off meta deck rather then a meme. It’s able to consistently win games and it’s pretty viable, but it isn’t played enough nor is it strong enough to be considered a meta deck.
Just because something is off meta doesn’t necessarily make it bad or a meme, it just means it’s not a common occurrence and there are better options out there.
Lastly, no they are not better, any meta deck is essentially by default better then an off meta deck. Unless it is right at the beginning of a new release or balance patch meta decks are better then off meta. That doesn’t mean meta decks will always win a match against an off meta deck, just that over time the meta deck will have a higher and more consistent winrate over a large spread of players.
But there are many benefits to running an off meta deck, like I have a combo in my deck that can pull out 11/13 worth of stats and then draw 8 cards on turn 5 with coin which often takes people by surprise. I played a game against an OTK paladin (which I see often, it’s a common matchup therefore meta) who then board cleared and divine favour, so he drew his entire hand in the turn after, because I drew an entire hand. So then I think I’m really close to milling him by about turn 8, he has an 8/8 divine shield taunt on board, I think it is just a regular libram paladin deck, but then I gave him the last combo piece he needed to OTK me by making him draw.
Because what he was running was uncommon, I naturalized his 8/8 taunt divine shield. This actually helped his strategy which hadn’t yet been revealed to me. Similarly I encountered a togwaggle druid today and I thought it was malygos druid, like why not it carries all the same pieces, he played malygos, I naturalized the malygos, then he flips out a togwaggle the next turn and it’s like damn I just helped him along in his master plan.
i’m regularly legend in both formats, i agree with myself !
But then there has to be some consideration that maybe you are better at one mode than the other. Maybe you play weaker decks in standard? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it is a pretty big statement to say that the player base of wild is worse than the standard player base (though maybe true). I think you need multiple opinions from different people.
There are certainly advantages, but that doesn’t make them better. Meta decks are almost always just better then off meta, otherwise they wouldn’t be meta.
That doesn’t mean off meta decks can’t perform well or better then meta decks on an individual basis, though. You can have a 70%+ winrate with off meta decks.
Well meta decks generally follow limitations, generally they aren’t using the best of everything because they need to be accessible to everybody and in that sense people are often willing to make compromises to try and include a small amount of legendaries, though the meta allows a few expensive decks at a time. If you don’t own every card you have a very limited ability to test different options in your deck without running out of dust, so very few people are successful when making off meta decks.
But that doesn’t mean they can’t be better, if you made a good deck today, better than reno priest, but it was expensive, I will almost bet you that it never gets played by anyone ever unless they think of the same idea and in a sense recreate it themself. Or else maybe if you were streaming it at high legend and promoting it on websites then maybe.
it’s not about me but my opponents, i see more misplays in wild than in ranked at the same ranks