New expansion, new Rewards Track.
And just like before, in the first 50 steps you get Golden Cards 9 times.
I checked my collection and the cards are not disenchantable which means there are 9 useless steps on the reward track that give us cosmetics, no actual usable content… and I don’t understand why.
I mean if you buy the pass to get cosmetics like hero skins, card backs or not disenchantable golden or diamond cards, okay, I’m fine with that. But don’t add cosmetics to the normal track.
Why is Blizzard denying us the bit of dust we would get from these cosmetics? The rewards replace other possible rewards like gold or packs, why can’t we get like 80 or 100 dust for these cards? We don’t even get both copies of a golden rare, just one, on two separate steps of the track.
It’s not like they are unique cards that were given for free, like Prince Renathal for example. They are cosmetics for cards everyone already has after opening like 10-20 packs. There is also no risk of dust inflation, it’s a non repeatable reward which is part of the reward track and replaces a reward that would give us actual value, like gold or packs. Why can’t we dust these cards, Blizzard?!
I think this once again is a cheap way to lower the value people can earn by just playing instead of wasting their money for overprized content. And it is a disgrace that after so many years tricks like this are still being used. Why is it so hard for Blizzard to go with the time and do what other games out there do (regarding monetization model etc.)? Why is it always one step forward two steps backwards…?
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What is it about a free golden card that upsets you so much? if you get the non golden version in a pack you can just dust those, without fear of losing these from your collection. Are you just against having a collection? What is it that entitles you to demand you should be able to dust any rewards at all from the prize tracks? They are prizes, if you dont care for them, like I dont care for any of the mercenaries prizes, ignore that you got em, problem is solved because you can move on with your life. If it really bothers you that much just dont progress to the point where you would earn those non dustable prizes and they will never be in your collection to annoy you. I understand that would mean youd have to forfeit anything after those undesirables but hey, problem is solved. No more collection. Or do like every other reasonable non entitled person that isnt obsessed with dusting everything, and just ignore those prizes all together, if you win them at say level 10 on the track and there are also prizes at lvl 8 and 12… then just acknowledge 8 and 12 but not 10 at all. Problem solved. So long as you ignore you even got a prize at 10 youll never encounter the issue you seem to have entitled yourself into having.
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Not everyone buys packs until they have the whole set. As a f2p, these rewards are when I get these cards to use. Not everything has to be optimal for everyone.
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I don’t demand anything. I only criticise what I don’t like and suggest improvements.
I just think cosmetics should not be part of the reward track. It’s just waste of XP that is supposed to give people actual rewards, like the Daily Gold Quests did in the past.
But you are right, the non golden versions of the cards are still disenchantable (another reason why It makes no sense for the golden versions to be not disenchantable). Means a reward step with two copies of a common is worth 10 dust, a step with a single rare is worth 20 dust… amazing. It would cost Blizzard literally nothing if the cards were disenchantable but it would help people feel a little better about the rewards. And I think it’s characteristic for Blizzard that it’s not possible. They have already shown in the past that they find it very difficult to give even small benefits to the players.
Small benefits to the players, like free golden cards for your permanent collection. They are FREE REWARDS they didnt have to give you at all. Be grateful or ignore them. Whining about them makes you seem like those spoiled girls that are upsetti spaghetti over the free car their dads bought them not being the right color so they throw a fit over it.
Absolutely not seeing any difference between your stance on the free gifts of golden cards and those girls that cant accept a gift with some dignity or gratitude. If its such a problem just dont earn them, dont click on them to be redeemed, ignore them as part of your collection, or be grateful you were given some permanent cards to your collection regardless if you intend to use them or not.
The only one having difficulty around the small benefits here is you. You cant accept that this reward is of small benefit to you and make this thread over it. Consider for a moment, that these are of greater benefit to others that arent you. Thats how I look at the mercenaries rewards given along the prize track. I know I’ll never use those prizes at all. But I do know there are others that will and use them a lot. Im not making a thread about how there shouldnt be any mercenaries prizes or if there are they should be dustable or refundable. I can accept the freebie knowing full well it will never get used and Im okay with that. Im not gonna go complain to the forums about a free gift I personally dont see much value in getting and then claim its Blizzards fault I dont see the value in them.
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I would rather be able to dust every card I will never use. I never play warlock, priest, rogue, demon hunter, druid or hunter decks. Ever. LEt us dust those cards if we won;t ever use them. Same applies to cards on the reward track we won’t use. Maybe then, I could play something other than skelly mage. Fun, but boring. I would like to play a paladin or warrior deck. Maybe evolve shaman again. Not even close to enough dust to begin thinking about making a second deck.
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Be grateful or ignore them
Really? Shill more, my man. Shill more.
While this is not an unreasonable suggestion, I find your tone throughout the thread to be increasingly entitled. Now to be fair, I think others in the thread were a bit antagonistic which probably contributed to elevating the tone. If we could lower the temperature a bit, I think we could have a reasonable, constructive dialog on the issue.
So to the point you were making regarding the limited value of the rewards, I did the math. I counted a total of 6 golden commons and 6 golden rares (I’m not counting Epics and Legendaries, since in most cases, those would be useful to a F2P player and unlikely to be dusted). IF those were craftables, they would deliver us a total of 900 dust. Subtracting the 150 you can get from dusting the non-golden version (since we’re looking at the net differential here), we end up with about 750 dust. So just under the cost of 2 Epics or halfway to a Legendary.
So what does that mean? Two Epics is certainly not insignificant to a F2P player. On the other hand, you’d be adding more reward value to the track, so to keep things even, you’d have to make a corresponding adjustment, reducing a reward somewhere else. Blizzard has decided what they want to reward players on the track. It’s the same total reward for this track as it was for the last track (you can watch Zeddy’s video if you want to see the analysis). So I must conclude that this is the amount they want to deliver.
Now, if you think the rewards on the track need to be increased by 750 dust worth of value (which is a very small percentage of the total value on the track), you should make that request. But I think couching it in some perceived “slap in the face” (that’s MY interpretation of your objection, not your words) that Blizzard is trying to fool us into thinking there’s slightly more value on the track is not really a good approach.
Who is shilling? I just know how to accept a free gift with grace and humbleness. I dont whine about it or accuse other of “shilling”.
If I got a pair of non-returnable socks that dont fit me for chistmas one year, I wouldnt be making posts about it somewhere on the internet. I’d smile and be grateful someone even put the amount of effort of getting me anything at all when they had no reason to in the first place. Sure I cant return them or exchange them, and they dont fit so they are of no use to me. But I won’t ever act like I deserve socks that fit me, or that i deserve to have the option to exchange them or return them. Do you see how you seem to interpret a free gift differently than I do? you can be gracious you got something for free at all. Or you can ignore you got them and move on. I could do both with said hypothetical socks. No one would ever know either way. If Im shilling anything its that. Dont be so entitled in your mentality towards a free gift on an optional xp track.
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Disenchant the normal version and you will get your dust
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Be happy with less dust, is what you’re saying?
Spoken like a true shill.
First, I think the existence of “golden” cards is utterly stupid and simply a way to siphon dust out of the economy.
Second, giving us golden copies of cards we already have and will likely never use isn’t a reward. That’s like saying, “We gave you a free box of poop, why aren’t you happy about it? It was free!”
I don’t want any golden cards and I would certainly want them to give me something of basic use as a “reward” rather than uncraftable trash.
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The alternative is keeping both for a grand total of 0 dust.
IMO this would be better if they give one random golden common/rare/epic, the same way they give random legendary. Don’t want ? Free dust. Want ? Dust you don’t spent for it !
Win-Win situation
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I dont understand why you wouldnt use them in a deck eventually. (standard/Wild/duels/tavern brawl/etc) In either a future deck where it can combo in a fantastic way not possible at this moment in time, or just keep them in the collection so you are that much closer to having all the cards there are. I literally cannot see a potential downside to getting the freebies. Golden or not, dustable or not.
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I can’t speak for anyone else but, I only play standard. I do not play wild and I only play 3, maybe 4, classes. Mage, Warrior, Paladin and shaman. That’s it. None of those cards really fit into the decks I’m playing. In other words, they are useless as a reward.
That makes it a you induced problem. No one forced you to not play the other classes but you. No one forced you to only play standard, but you. The common thread for all the issues for you, is you created the conditions that make the free goldens useless to you. Consider there are other people in the world that play the game that arent you. These cards arent useless to them. Your self imposed limitations on how you play the game is a you problem you gave yourself.
Let me illustrate another way: I only play deathrattle decks. I refuse to play any other style of deck that doesnt use exclusively deathrattle minions. If the prizes from the track arent deathrattle minions they are useless to me and I deserve to be able to change the free gifts to whatever I like.
Do you see how that is an absurd idea? Its no different than your’s. Its a self imposed restriction that promotes an entitled mentality in regard to the prizes on the track. Its absurd and self centered. The freebies are a gift to all. Either accept the fact there are others that can genuinely use and appreciate these cards, you just not being one of them, or dont progress the completely optional xp track and dont click on the rewards you dont want to accept. No one is forcing you to play the game. There are times in mario where I genuinely want and need a starpower or firepower but I know for a fact that the upcoming powerup will be a mushroom which is useless to me. But I dont go making a thread about it. I accept that what the game devs programmed into the level progression is what it is and complaining about it wont do anything but point out how much a pain in the end I am.
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If I box up a turd and send it to, you should humbly accept my free gift to you? You wouldn’t be insulted by it?
I think free golden cards are steaming turds and that they shouldn’t be uncraftable. They are not a reward.
I already have the rare cards in the plain version. Golden cards are ugly and annoying. Why can’t I just DE them? No, blizzard has made me keep them forever in my list, clogging up space.
Uncraftable cards are not a reward.
To you. You choose to interpret them as such, thats again, a you problem you;ve given yourself.
I hate bacon, i think its gross and disgusting and should be punishable to make it. I hate the smell, the textures, the flavor, everything about it. No one should be subjected to the awfulness that I think Bacon is. But Im not so self centered as to think everyone should think as I do. I wish they would because I think they are wrong otherwise, but I can understand that others wont have the same conclusion to bacon that I have made. The issue I have with Bacon is done so by me, and no one else. I have created my uncomfortableness when I smell it, my gag reflex if I taste it, my shuddering spine when I hear it popping while being cooked. Should I expect you to have the same visceral reaction as I do?
No, because I’m not so obsessed with my own opinions as to spout them off as fact for the masses and to make a sweeping statement for all to share said opinion.
In my example my steaming pile of poo would be a pile of bacon. Im sure there are people that would be pretty excited to receive that in the mail. Just as Im sure there those that wouldnt. Others that just wouldnt care as well. But I am the one that sees bacon as a pile of poo. just as you choose to see the golden cards that way. It isnt a literal pile of poo. were you to do such literally that would be a crime. But figuratively, I wouldnt mind getting your golden undustables in the mail that you refer to as a pile of poo. your interpretation of them is again, a you problem. One you;ve given yourself.
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Yes, I agree with you that people (in general) should be grateful no matter what, but I also agree with the fact that when I get something I should be able to decide what I want to do with it.
Basically what’s happening right now is that you get a pair of socks which you don’t fit and you have to keep them in your closet forever. You know you’ll never wear them because they don’t fit, but they’ll always be there. That makes no sense.
I’m not a fan of golden cards either and rather want to use the regular version instead, so all the golden non disenchantable cards are eating up a lot of space in my collection. Since the beginning of the game it was possible to disenchant cards you didn’t want/need, but now Blizzard starts to decide whether you can disenchant it or not which doesn’t seem/feel fair in my opinion.
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