I’m convinced they have a team dedicated to trolling forums and reddit. But, they won’t pay these same people to moderate game trade and prevent cheating. 
D2 was good for its time, but I’ve done that number one too many times and am ready for new stuff. Sadly, this game doesn’t meet the mark.
I don’t want a copy of D2, but it’d be nice to see the systems that worked well in this game, same with D3.
This has the worst items I’ve ever seen in supposed ARPG, and most dull graphics ever too. I can never figure out what people are cheering about with this pale, washed-out look.
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Yeah! and installing the game using their 3 CDs 
I think Diablo 2 is one of the greatest games ever made, but it can’t be reproduced today. This is simply because everyone has access to perfect meta pretty much the moment it’s discovered at all times.
The point of Diablo 2 was to feel like you had a one-up on everybody else because you figured out the best way to do things. Take moat tricking Meph. Most people didn’t know to do that or how to do that or why they should even need to do that. But if you were doing that, you were getting shakos and getting erich. It was exhilarating.
And if you didn’t know how to moat trick meph, that was fine too because you were unaware that you were playing anything other than really good. It worked out for everybody and every playstyle.
But today, you would just be banned for exploiting and everybody would know about this at the same time. It would be hot fixed immediately.
So the fact that there’s so much widespread instantaneous information now as compared to back then, you can’t have a game like that anymore. At least not in triple A world. This isn’t to say blizzard shouldn’t be more relaxed in how they go about these things, though. They go a little over the top in trying to attack fun when it’s found.
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I didn’t want a D2 copy (though I’d take that over this). I wanted a modernized D2, with some of the better combat aspects of D3, mixed with the better aspects of D2 (items, skill trees).
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HRs are nowhere near as rare as 99% of the community makes them out to be. You find a hr every 4-8 hours farming cows or chaos sanctuary.
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Its the amazing itemization/crafting and free trading, this is the core reason. The loot hunt for better items and the ability to barter with others your haul from the day’s dungeon spelunking session. Its what makes D2 for all its flaws, with no endgame, enjoyable still more than 20 years later while D4 is already starting to feel tedious and boring 2 weeks after launch.
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At this point, I’d take an updated D2 or D3 over this.
I can’t even bring myself to login today because it is so boring. I tried rolling an alt recently, and was bored to tears because it’s the same generator/spender no matter what you do. The skills all look similar. There’s no items that change the gameplay like you experienced in D3 - stuff that would completely open up new possibilities for builds.
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Hey Blizzard, David Brevik said he’d come back to help you guys with D4, maybe you should have taken his offer up. At least let him design items for you guys lmao. Pay that man whatever he wants, he’ll fix the game for you.
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If you are in a party, you have to fight over it. You can Find/See it but can you grab it?
You are not finding those runes by yourself at that rate and if you are, you are using open games to grab other players so they don’t take your drops where you are farming.
D2 and D2R feel more enjoyable because you can actually grind for the best items. You can also create alts with the items you have farmed.
D4 you can grind forever and never even have a chance at getting a super unique. You can’t really gear alts.
Both lack a proper endgame.
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Not on players 1 you don’t, and tbh not even on single player players 3 farming trav with 30 second runs would you find a HR every 4-8 hours. You would probably get an ohm rune every 24 hrs.
Truth. So much truth in this statement.
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Yeah I agree with you. It feels like they started with the vision to use D2 as a base and build on it to modernize it. Then it feels like later on they were told to implement Diablo Immoral systems and find ways to monetize the game through mtx purchases, at the expense of fun.
Long gone are the days where a studio was a tight knit group of developers who had a unified vision and make a game that they would find fun as gamers, and the sales would follow. Now that most studios are owned by corporations, it’s profit focused, regardless of quality. As long as it sells, as long as it can keep enough players that will buy mtx, they’re satisfied. Devs are no longer autonomous; they do what they’re told.
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My frozen orb sorc with +32 all skills was so fun to farm on in d2r. Had so many good items. Traded my second Deaths Fathom drop for a high rolled sorc torch and anni to finish the build. It was amazing gathering wealth.
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It very obvious they were trying to appeal to console and mmo casual players when designing this game.
Makes sense. They already have the majority of the pc fanbase, best way to profit for them would be to target non pc players. Just like they did with Immortal.
The sad part is that even for a console tier arpg this game fails in a lot of ways.
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I find it hilarious the people talk about how boring D4 endgame is, and then they reference activities like this with rose goggles. Let’s farm cows for 8 hours and say how much better that is than scalable nightmare dungeons with varying affixes.
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yes you are. At least, if you have a half decent build. If you have access to p7 farming then it’s more like every 3-4 hours.
Before d2r launched i re-played d2 for the first time in a decade on single player, had a full enigma/cta/infinity javzon within 10 days.
There is also the living economy part – D2 has tradable end-game items, while D4 does not. D2’s items also have far greater unique item variety, rune-words, jewels, charms, etc.
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Yup, the developers of D2 understood that it feels good to feel powerful at endgame, and that’s ok. You accomplished a hell of a lot to get all your items in order to make your build work, and you are rewarded for it.
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