I hate the T8 lilith fight. 1.2 million toughness and I insta die due to stacks. I just don’t even care there’s “harder” content. I think I’m done.
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nothing wrong with giving up if you cant overcome a challenge i guess.
Two things tho: Toughness on itself is more or less meaningless. All defensives are important. you can have a high toughness while still having way to little max HP.
Also, the boss only has 1 true one shot - thats in phase 2 when she starts breaking the floor.
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i know what you mean, but this is a incorrect statement. check your toughness if u have a selig build, it has tons of armor/res and DR. Still toughness stays low.
Its cause every stat correlates with each other if one avenue is very low the overall tougness stays low until you fix it by increasing said stat.
What you can say its not a perfect representation of ur surviveability, cause stuff like very high fire res doesnt help you with poison even if the overall toughness stat is higher, then with all res slotted. And stuff like selig and other conditional DR is often not represented correctly or not at all. Also there is debuffs of enemy dmg which is still DR, but you never see it on ur stat sheet, obviously.
You are agreeing with Nyurei that Toughness does not necessarily indicate survivability and that the effectiveness of Toughness is permutated by the context that your have your value in. OP said they’re getting one-shotted at 1.2m Toughness, which would suggest that you can indeed get evaporated with a very high value, irrespective of whether or not is is possible to also have a low value.
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no i did not, i clarified that the argument that low hp can still have high toughness is false.
while the first part is true, that its not a perfect representation.
Many will tell you that’s the fight is trivial. Most just one-shoot her because now, with enough damage, they can do that. They don’t care for debuffs or any of the insta-kill mechanisms. If you don’t have the damage and the fight takes time, that’s when it becomes difficult. There was no need for the Devs to bring back the debuffs. For me, it just makes the fight unfair.
Unfortunately, for this fight, toughness or damage reduction don’t matter. You just need high damage to one-shot Lilith in each of the phases. That’s the basics of combat in D4.
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Nyurei said Toughness alone is meaningless. You then confirmed you can have a very strong Selig build where “still Toughness stays low”. OP is talking about having 1.2m and being one-shot. What do you think the shared factor within these two statements is if it is not “Toughness does not always represent a consistent value apropos of context”?
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so what is ur problem here? i just clarified his statement. It had nothing to do with the OP.
If u wanna throw a temper Tantrum, fine but im out.
Brother I’m going to explain this to you as politely as possible. That is a deranged reaction to have. Nobody is having a temper tantrum, I have never had a problem with you, we are talking and I am quoting something you said. You may want to consider speaking to a therapist if this is how you react at the mildest possible provocation.
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Any disagreement is met with hostility, regardless of facts. Afterall, if you disagree with me, that must mean you are against me!
…but also - respect my opinion!
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This new generation of nerds who are professionally wrong and incredibly belligerent are so tiresome aren’t they? We are literally all here to discuss Diablo 4 while we’re not playing it. You would think some of these guys are being held ransom and forced to spend hours here by their kidnappers.
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What? You didn’t know for some people who come here they have an Imaginary pew pew forced on them ? They Must play a game they dislike and complain about it… They have to… 
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cmon, this is getting ridicoulous, i have no Problem with disagreements, but i have a problem with ppl making a argument over something that i never refuted. Maybe the context wasnt understood, or i phrased it badly. My point was only a correction on the argument that low hp can still show high toughness values. So back off from your high horse, i just have no interest to argue about something that i never really refuted.
To make it plain, his statements was fine except his one argument about hp.
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I can decide if i wanna argue something i deem neccesary or not, and your argument as explained was a non argument, cause i only wanted to clarify the hp thing. Did u finally get it? maybe i phrased it badly. Now you make it personal.
oh right mr voice of reason. Your entitlement shines through, but keep going with the insults, and how much higher your on the moral ladder then me or others.
Congratulations on making the right decision. The counterintuitive way things are calculated in this game or don’t work at all are at times the direct opposite of fun.
Maybe if it wasn’t entirely about money and proving imaginary points.
By all my own Lilith experience, she should be dealt with when you are fluid in T10. Not before. Just like Mephisto=T12. Just my two cents.
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I am not one of the “GitGud” fools on these forums but it would help if we knew what class/build are you playing and having these problems. We maybe able to offer some real advice.
For example, I am using a home brewed shadow mage minion necro and at around P210 I wiped Lilith on T10 with no issues. Bypassed all the mechanics. Most websites rate this build as B tier.
At around P250 I was able to beat T10 Mephisto more than once with some difficulty but it wasn’t that bad. I was able to find a mythic seal and use 2 charm sets that added alot of damage reduction with no loss of dps.
So it doesn’t take a broken build but a few tweaks could go a long way.
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People like this don’t want advice. He came here to vent because he can’t kill Lilith.
There, fixed it for you.
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Some things will always one shot you, no matter the toughness, No need to rely on a number.
Also just nuke her, She can’t one shot you if she’s dead