One of the devs on x, said it’s pretty much impossible to balance the game, there was a whole thread on it awhile back. I don’t use x so I can’t get a link for ya
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So far on PTR it doesn’t really feel much different but I am not too far in lvl20. The drops are more realistic.
My point is exactly this: you can’t blame me for believing in them if, deep down, you’re also hoping things will get better. It’s the only thing we’ve got.
Season 8 ptr, whats the problem with what i said? Its in context of what is being discused.
There will be tweaks after the PTR, but given that the last couple of class balance adjustment patches have been pretty small, I wouldn’t be expecting much.
Op is completely right about this and this is also one of my main concerns and who says otherwise is totally clueless and haven’t played with all the classes in current season.
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Remember the promise of “play your way”; how’d that work out for you? Remember that was said in context of your choice of class and skills used.
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It’s not a serious problem…it’s a relative problem. You get bumped down a torment tier for a sub par build. There will never be perfect balance in RPGs. Can it be more balanced? yes, and hopefully it get’s more balanced but thankfully there are multiple difficulty levels and an armory to switch between builds now.
Um… No? Talking about this during the PTR is like, THE time to talk about it. That’s literally the entire point.
Yep. THAT checks out.
Gee! I wonder if they might base those adjustments on our feedback? No… Wait. That can’t be, it’s “too early” for that.
PLUS
You’re contradicting yourself. On one hand, you saw the game being dominated by one class/build as a bad thing. But you also bemoan a large variety of “homemade” (read: non-meta) builds being competitive.
Which is it? Do you want build variety, or meta builds?
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This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. You dont see a meteor pit build within 20 levels of the other classes, boost meteors damage. Do this a few dozen times for under performing skills and you are a lot closer to the mark.
See a build clearing high tier pits in half the time others do? cut its damage. you simply look for outliers until more or less none remain. it just takes a dev team giving a shizz.
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Check PTR section, I haven’t read any feedback that gives me a complete picture. Do you?
I’ll repeat again that, being only the second day, there aren’t enough people in the endgame, and we can’t consider a handful of players a sufficient sample to make it a case. So my opinion stands from my point of view; if it’s not valid for you, that’s fine, I’m not the one in charge and I’m not trying to be right. It’s called conversation.
What the OP said seemed more like a verdict on season 8 rather than feedback.
Providing data on a specific build and explaining its weaknesses is feedback.
Saying that the season won’t be balanced is an opinion with no data to back it up.
There’s a dedicated section on the forum where you can provide concrete data on what’s wrong and what should be fixed. Since it’s a general thread, I was just giving my opinion in a respectful way without mocking anyone.
You’re coming across as condescending without even considering for a moment that maybe your interpretation was a bit shallow.
I’m not contradicting myself.
Going back to what I explained earlier, since there aren’t enough data, we still don’t know which builds and classes can make it to tier S. Plus, many tier S builds often emerge over time during the season—Mekuna is an example. People wrote off the Sorcerer, and two weeks later, they’re clearing a 150.
Issuing a verdict just a day and a half into the PTR, when the endgame has just started, seems excessive to me.
Plus, even if there are tier S or tier Z builds, things could still change from the PTR’s closing to the start of the season. We still need data tho, that’s all.
Everyone would like variety, it’s even silly to ask for it. Of course, it makes a difference between having multiple meta classes and just one. I’m not naive enough to believe that every build of every class can be good for everything. That would be a dream.
Now, kindly drop the condescending and overbearing tone because a conversation can be built without using that kind of approach. No one is attacking anyone here.
If you have data available regarding the current class balance, feel free to post it on the PTR, I’ll be happy to follow the progress.
Balance the classes and builds Blizzard. The people demand it.
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If only they had someone who could do 5th grade math, or ask chatgpt to do it for them … if only.
Somehow people in discord can figure out the strength of a build within a couple of pit tiers accuracy. While the devs with more information simply cannot figure out how them numbers are supposed to be working.
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There’s imperfect balance then there’s whatever the hell has been going on with this game. Remember barbs doing literally 100x - 1000x more damage than every other class for about an entire year - save for the one time sorc had the ball lightning bug I guess.
If there was a 20% power gap between the strongest and weakest builds then sure. But it’s an astronomical jump. We’re going into the 8th season of the game and builds are still not even in the same stratosphere as each other in terms of power.
This wouldn’t be too much of an issue either if every method of endgame progression wasn’t locked behind a timer reinforcing that the goal of the game is maximum efficiency at the cost of everything else.
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Not arguing that the game could be a lot more balanced. We also have to be honest that many of the outlier are/were due to bugged interactions so just buffing/nerfing a particular skill would not fix them and affect other builds in the process.
I agree, pits, undercity, hordes, Helltides and to a lesser degree Citadel all favor DPS…about the only thing you can plod through with a defensive setup are NM dungeons and open world .
Some things don’t need days, or even hours, to test. You can import your characters, replete with combined paragon levels and all the best gear you’ve saved up over the past couple seasons. It’s literally a matter of minutes to test if the build can possibly play in tier 4 or not. And if not, no amount of progression or optimization will change that.
Well (since you admit you haven’t engaged with the feedback yet), even professional blaster streamers are struggling in tier 4, and with bosses, even on their OP meta-builds. So yeah, even just two days in, that seems like enough time and data to make the “verdict” that the difficulty changes are overtuned.
I prefer “snarky and irreverent”, but, po-tay-to po-tah-to.
So what? What we DO know is that (with these changes) tier 4 will only be for those emergent S tier builds, regardless of what they actually are. THAT’S the point. The new system (currently) strictly rewards builds, not skill or time. It’s a problem, and it’s worth talking about.
Yep. And the current direction moves the game AWAY from that dream, not closer to it.
Nope. Sorry, bud. You don’t get to hide behind “Oh! I’m just being a nice guy, looking for open discourse” when what you initially did was try to gatekeep the OP for their valid opinion based on… what? Timing (“it’s too early…”)? Tone (“What the OP said seemed more like a verdict…”)?
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Is this gatekeeping?
If you want to start an argument with someone, you’ve got the wrong person. For me, the conversation ends here. If you feel the need to outline my psychological profile based on your deliberate assumptions, feel free to do it on your own.
Muted, ignored, have a nice life.
This is 100% right. The poor balance is going to lead to ppl choosing better builds more because they have to and so ppl playing off meta are going to be in a worse spot. Pit is getting much harder. We do need class balance looked at immediately. All classes and all skills should be within 20 to 30 pit tiers.
Its fine making the game harder. They really needed to but they also need to fix the awful balance.
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Not true…the REAL!! Problem right now is I can’t find my second controller can you guys help plz?
Someone look under my sofa while I look under the coffee table.
I was just using it yesterday……
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Its where it always is. Wherever you store the flamin hot cheetos. Follow the cheeto dust.
Its not easy being 
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