So I hit a 50% / 70% winterglass with 2 conjure mastery. Lucky I know.
My question is how high can this get with masterworking and how many times do I have to hit conjure mastery on the 4/12. 8/12, 12/12 hits?
Currently I have it 4/12 and hit conjure and its 2 conjure mastery.
Does it goto 3 conjure mastery naturally at 7/12 once you hit conjure at the 4/12?
Do I have to hit it one more time at 8/12 to get it to 3 conjure?
Do I have to hit it all three times to get to 4 conjure?
How this work? This is key info I need.
Please Halp!
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What does this mean for 4/12 8/12 and 12/12 hits? Does hitting the conjure on a 4/12, 8/12, 12/12 do anything or it is just a bad hit everytime? This is very confusing on what master work crits do on + to skills.
Will it be 3 at 6 without a masterwork crit on it?
What about a hit on 4 and 8?
What about a hit on 4 and 8 and 12?
This is very hard to figure out what is going to happen and its hella expensive to reroll so I have 0% clue on what is good or not.
Trial and error is not a good way to figure this out.
every 4 updates the system empowers 1 random affix in the item. For the winter glass the ideal is to have 3 empowerments in the Conjure Mastery affix like you said.
All going well you will have 7 points (3 from skills and 4 from empowerment) in the passive skill Conjure Master which means 7% [ x ] increased damage, 7% [ + ] movement speed and 14% [ x ] mana regeneration for each active conjuration you have at the moment,
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im not an expert on the + skill ones… im not sure, but if i recall correctly shivera explained that recently quite nicely… doing pits right now, but i can try to look it up.
Wow so best outcome is a 1 in 125 chance. Yikes. What about 2 of 3 hits. Is that a +3? Im fine with a +3.
Is +4 only if you started with a greater affix so it was 3 to start? Mine is a 2.
This is a flaw in the system as nobody is going to know how the hell these +2 skills work with masterwork hits or in general.
Well if we look at it from a math view I think you need 2 hits to make it work.
2 crit hits = 50% bonus.
10 hits left = 50% bonus.
This should give it a 100% bonus.
So it looks like 2 of 3 is what you need and hitting it 3 / 3 should be wasted.
Anyone got confirmation??
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The skills should roll over at greater than 50%, but I’m unclear on the exact rounding. +2 skills becomes +3 at 50/55%.
Each Masterwork level adds 5%. So ideally, you hit 2 of the big 25% levels, then 45% to garner 95%. That should round up to +4 skill / +6 total. I don’t have a 12/12 Winterglass yet. For “safety”, and to maximize prior to hitting 12/12, most usually want the 3x +25% levels on Conjuration. That should yield +5 at 12/12 for +7 total.
Theory crafting what happens here on a 12/12 item with 2 conjure mastery to start.
No conjure hits = 12*5% = 60% bonus = +1 as its over 50%.
1 hit = 25% + (11*5%) = 80% = Should now go to +3 as its over 50%.
2 hits = 50% + (10*5) = 100% = Should now go to +4 as its at 100%.
3 hits = 75% + (9*5) = 120% = Still only +4 as its not at 150% so this is wasted.
So according to theorycraft example with a +2 to start 1 hit and 3 hits are both useless and 2 hits is the sweet spot.
All winterglass with be +3 with 2 to start at 12/12 so i hit does nothing.
The extra hit on 3/3 doesnt push it higher as its 120% and not 150%.
Keep in mind this is theorycraft numbers with lots of assumptions like masterworks not stacking with itself.
No, the 3x 25% levels don’t get the 5% boost.
So at 12/12, you get 45% to all, plus 75% to a single affix in 25% chunks (can hit the same affix).
The question is whether 12/12 with 75% Conjuration is needed (120%) and rounds up to +7 total, or 12/12 with 50% Conjuration (95%) gets you +6 total.
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Dont see my mistake as if you missed all conjure hits you still have 12 masterworks of 5% on conjure for 60% and I subtracted 1 from each masterwork crit calculation.
Another question is if it builds on itself each time so when you masterwork at 8 does it count all the other masterworks from 1 to 7 so its cumulative?? This could change the math as it would be calculating 5% of 2.05 conjure mastery as an example on masterwork 2/12.
Bottom line is this is extremely complicated and we need a blue response on exactly how masterworks interact with + to skills.
No, the 3 crit boosts don’t also include a 5% boost. So if you missed all 3, you would get only +45% = 2.9 (the starting value of 2 * 1.45), which rounds to 3.
If you hit 1 crit on it, you get +70% = 3.4
2 crits = 95% = 3.9, rounds to 4
3 crits = 120% = 4.4, rounds to 4.
I dint include any crits in the calc thats is why it goes 11X5 and then 10X5 and then 9X5.
IE 1 hit =
1 hit of 25%
11 hits of 5%
80%
My values and assumptions say 0 crit hits on 2 starting conjure mastery still get to +3 as it is over 50% at 12/12 (50% times 2 is 1 so 2 + 1 = 3) so 1 crit hit is wasted. IT should have went to +3 at masterwork 10/12.
3 hits should also be wasted according to this math I did. WE need a dev to clarify what is going on with this.
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I’m not sure how else to say it. On 4th, 8th, and 12th masterworks, you get +25% to one of the affixes. You do not also get +5% to the other affixes. So it is still 1 hit of 25% and 9 hits of 5%.
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K I get what you saying now. oh dear!
So new calcs for 2 conjure to start winterglass would be
0 hits = (9x5) = 45% = no change.
1 hit = (9x5) + 25 = 70% = 3
2 hits = (9x5) + 50 = 95% = 3. Do we know for sure it rounds up? At what values doe s it round up to 4?
3 hits = (9x5) + 75 = 120% = 4.
So the sweet spot is 2 hits if it does indeed round up on 2 hits.
Yes. But people like 3 earlier, because they won’t necessarily Masterwork to 12, and it’s a long ways off.
There’s also potential for the 3x boost to hit +7 total - but I don’t have a 12/12 boosted piece in that situation to say definitively or not.
This could all be rendered moot if D4 actually showed the decimal to the skill. In a game about numbers, this never made any sense to me.
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I just did a master work with 2/3 crits and at masterwork level 12. I can confirm I have +3 and not +4 on my Winterglass.
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