Nerf HOTA's Damage Calculations

[Substatic-1973]

Yeah nerf the one good build for the class that still is exponentially below the other 4 classes for nm100 and Uber Lillith clear times.

Smart.

[LaHire-1718]

Both necro and sorc obliterated Uber lilith.

But yeah… just keep nerfing HoTa for PvP issues

That makes absolutely no sense. PvP and PvE nerfs should never be linked.

[Boom-2481]

Just a thought, maybe try playing something else… idk … like necro?

[Lideil-1955]

Nerf HOTA's Damage Calculations

Both necro and sorc obliterated Uber lilith. But yeah… just keep nerfing HoTa for PvP issues That makes absolutely no sense. PvP and PvE nerfs should never be linked.

Easily countered argument by my other posts here:

HOTA needs to catch a pvp nerf

What is baffling to me is people keep saying “if you nerf PvP, you nerf PvE” ← but this is nonsense. Blizzard has clearly shown they can adjust skills for PvP specficially, so HOTA can be retuned for PvP without affecting PvE whatsoever. Can we not act like this isn’t a thing? I know some of you want advantages, but there is no sport or competition if your opponent has no chance whatsoever. It neither makes you skilled nor good at the game if there is zero chance from the opposing side.

And here:

HOTA needs to catch a pvp nerf

Except this isn’t a difficult change. I’m a game developer myself, so I do have some idea of what I’m talking about from an objective perspective. The system is already in the game (e.g., PvP zones reduce damage and armor contributions), so such changes are hardly anything great, grand, or gamebreaking to affect the main mode of play - which is, of course, PvE. Justifications touting otherwise are just exposing the integrity and character of the posters themselves, who clearly want such an ab…

[Shawnobi-11269]

Seriously the people defending an ability being able to literally one shot full squads multiple levels higher than them is ridiculous. I’m fine with it being strong but aoe one shots is pretty dumb. How can you guys seriously defend this.

[LaHire-1718]

@Lideil-1955

Easily countered argument by my other posts

There’s a massive difference between “counter-argument” and “supportive argument”
I explicitly said.

@LaHire-1718

PvP and PvE nerfs should never be linked.

@LaHire-1718

If it’s a PvP balance only, sure.

Clearly assuming both PvE/PvP CAN be un-linked, current nerfs affect both.

[Lideil-1955]

Nerf HOTA's Damage Calculations

Seriously the people defending an ability being able to literally one shot full squads multiple levels higher than them is ridiculous. I’m fine with it being strong but aoe one shots is pretty dumb. How can you guys seriously defend this.

Literally exposes the character and integrity of the individuals

Nerf HOTA's Damage Calculations

There’s a massive difference between “counter-argument” and “supportive argument” I explicitly said. Clearly assuming both PvE/PvP CAN be un-linked, current nerfs affect both.

But that’s the whole point, it can be reduced accordingly without affecting PvE. That has been the point of my posts the whole time. Blizzard has clearly demonstrated their ability to do so across multiple games, Diablo 4 is no exception. So, I ask you, if the ability is absurdly broken in one mode and we can change the potency of that mode without affecting the other, should we not do so for the sake of fairness and balance?

This is what I cannot understand.

How can anyone defend such absurdity which can clearly be tackled is beyond me.

[LugageBandit-1218]

because its the only core skill that isnt trash

[jinxster247-1465]

@poochy123-1491

Nerfing HOTA because it’s overpowered in PvP would be a huge mistake, as it’s currently the only competitive(S tier) spec that Barb’s have for pushing nightmare. If you nerf that spec, Barb’s are the only class in the game without a spec for pushing high nightmare dungeons.

Blizzard has said that less than 1% of people are participating in PvP, so balancing around that (very vocal) 1% and making the experience worse for everyone else would be a mistake. Better for the overall health of the game to try to just make PvE balanced, and let the PvP chips fall where they may.

They have already stated balncing wont come from pvp

[FREAK4LIFERC-4944]

Yeah, and also in conjunction with the 3 shouts must have, if you nerf HOTA, Barb basicalily can play with his “normal attacks” i.e. the basic skills. I might as well jump into the game throwing left and right punches against mobs.

First’ it will be so weak and second, it’s more boring than the existing HOTA and WW setup.

People virtually have no reason to request for nerfs for HOTA when other classes end game builds just dish out much more damage with range than Barb.

I saw OP edited the post saying that HOTA outshines WW, but allow me to retort that it has big trade-offs:

1. It only outshines WW because the build has stun and it’s a “one-off” hit rather than WW requiring the player to stay with the mobs for damage. That’s called kiting (but ironically the most boring and basic type) because Barb simply lacks tankiness in end game contents (NMD high levels). I am not saying that kiting is not required and Barb should be allowed to stand there 24/7 doing his thing. But think about this: why Barb is the only Class that needs to output damage up close WITHOUT any alternatives when other Classes, including Druid, can be tankier and/or dish out damage from ranged for endgame contents (No hate on Druid at all, the werewolf build is completely OK). You call this fairness?
2. Further to point 1, WW is NOT outshined by HOTA IF the Barb can tank the damage, due to the fact that a) HOTA needs to stop and attack while WW does not and can have a further increase of MS with Berserking; b) WW builds have an aspect which can pull enemies together; c) the damage consistency of WW can match or compete with HOTA if one can go directly into a cluster of mobs. But sadly the fact is that post NMD 70 WW build become extremely hard to survive so Barb only can rely on HOTA and the basic kiting techniques, in hope that he can run around during shout CDs and go back in for crits (which isn’t even close to 100% with ALL BiS items).

Using WW to compare with HOTA is a mistake and it sidetracks the real issue of the fundamental weakness for Barb - tankiness. If you nerf the only viable build for Barb now, you might as well just delete the Class.

[sKorcheD-1991]

What is the problem here? HOTA should absolutely outshine WW for dmg as one is channeled and the other is 1 attack. Have you played before D4? One has speed the otherone not as fast. There are fair tradeoffs to both.

[FREAK4LIFERC-4944]

Great. I might have typed too long up there lol.

[Sink-2932]

You must be a troll. Have you seen Uber Lilith clears from other classes? It takes like 30 seconds while HOTA needs 10 minutes.

And with the stealth nerf to HOTA, Barbarian is ultra garbage and unplayable.
Barbarian players: reroll class or quit the game if you don’t want to.

[Shaggz-1491]

Bone spear necro….
Pulv druid….
Blizzard sorc 22m/tick…

[damaged-21681]

sounds like a special snowflake who got clapped once by hota in pvp and is now looking for vengeance in form of destroying one of only two kinda working skills for barb. in reality hota becomes really bad once facing higher level mobs which don’t die fast anymore. even with maximal invest in defense it’s not enough and playing slow boom melee with permanent ressource problems becomes terrible annoying. something i don’t see on the other classes…

[Chillaba-1606]

You must be a troll. Have you seen Hota barbs literally tanking the one shot mechanics of Uber Lillith? no other class does that.

[Substatic-1973]

You mean the other 4 classes that kill her in ~1 minute while Barb takes 9 minutes? Imagine bringing up an example that proves you’re demonstrably wrong.

[Whitigir-1401]

Less than 1 minute

[Boosted-11740]

They other classes skip it entirely with damage lol ofc I havent seen them tank it.

[LugageBandit-1218]

too many new players here that dont know that barb WW has always been a low level trash farming skill.