It’s time to permanently disable cross play

Thats irrelevant to my point. I am not comparing consoles to PC’s, you are, thats a you problem.

Again, irrelevant for my point If you want to make a proper argument for consoles VS PC’s then we can have that.

I have never experienced this, at least not in any form of malware that has ever noticeably tampered with my PC.

This is actually not entirely true, the first thing I did when I bought my R4 was replaced my RAM sticks, a later lightning strike fried the mother board, I was able to get a free replacement, that is only true when the PC comes with a warranty user agreement, typically stating “no user-serviceable parts inside” In which case, they would void your warranty.

I did a lot of self teaching also.
Though I took A+ computers and became certified, then went to an ITT tech, dropped due to major car accident rendered me immobile for a year, returned to do programming. Realized I don’t want to do programming as a career but rather enjoy it as a hobby; then switched my major for criminal lab forensics. Visual basic was pretty fun to deal with. I still have my old disks lol.

Most come with at least 500gb-1 TB. That lasts you for quite a while till you’re ready to upgrade your storage.

You can specify if you want more storage during the purchase process, and it doesn’t cost you that much more unless youre going for SSD, but try and purchase a PS4/5 with an extended storage, and your costs are dramatically increased.

I also feel like they intentionally create a shortage for those specific Better/Best consoles just so they can justify a price gouging, and even if you can afford them, they usually out of stock, the biggest god damn issue were scalpers over-buying and re-selling which was a huge problem for both console and PC.

You think Anti-virus are necessary as a residential user? Unless you’re frequently dealing with websites that are typically infested with malware, anti-virus is arguably not necessary as a standard, residential user, I haven’t used anti-virus in 20 years.

However, for a company or organization that holds onto much sensitive information that they are under legal obligation to protect, they must buy anti-virus software and keep it up-to-date. Even working for a governmental organization, we still get hits from Crypto-viruses despite that protection. People with the skills to make malicious software, don’t target random users specifically, they may use them for practice though as there is less risk of them possibly noticing and getting police involved.

The only other reason, would be out of spite, or as retaliation. People aim for places that have money, or valuable information.

PS/Xbox always does updates too, every time I pop in a new game it has to install the damn game, which takes a lot longer than it should, then I have to wait for it to then perform a software update, for every damn game This can take from 10 minutes, to 30 minutes. I really hate it.

I’m 37. By standard zoomer qualifications I’m already boomer age. Lol

The worst part about getting old is coming home from a long day at work, and staring at your 500$ PS5 and thinking “I’m too damn tired to play this.”

I’m not familiar with this, is it like a studio software?

Well yea, its about double the price, I’m not disagreeing a console isn’t more affordable, there’s just some games that feel better on a PC, and some that feel better on a console. Diablo games just feel more organic on PC, as do FPS games due to awkward aiming with a controller over a keyboard and mouse, but a lot of your open-world games like the newer Pokemon games, feel a lot better on the switch, not considering the specific control peripherals designed to coincide with the game’s interface.

That’s a bit of a cherry-picked comment but more nuanced than you would give it credit for. It also needs context.

According to Steam (which is really the best metric we can get at the moment) the average PC (defined as the PC most people have and not the PC most people are buying today) isn’t actually all that good.

A PS5 or XBox Series X will definitely run Diablo 4 at 4k at 60FPS. The average PC will not. In fact, most people do not own a PC capable of hitting 4k at a solid FPS at the same level of detail as the consoles get.

However, we also must consider that the average console is not a PS5 or Xbox Series. Its a PS4.

Are PCs better than consoles? Difficult to prove either way. We know what the average PS5 has in it. It’s much more complex to understand what the average PC has in it.

The fact remains, console sales are driving PC development at the moment, not the other way around.

It’s really not difficult to prove. You’d actually have to be insane to think a console is better. I mean if you ignored your console elitism and really sat down and thought about it.

It also causes mass lag on console. I turned it off ASAP

The PS5 GPU clocks in about 9.2 Tflops real time playing, if your computer possesses at least a 1080 ((which is a fairly inexpensive card, and a bottom line for most gaming PC’s)) it runs about 9 Tflops.

I don’t have any console elitism. I’m playing on PC, Steamdeck and (when my wife isn’t playing Final Fantasy 16) occasionally on PS5. The vast majority of my time has been on a high-end PC but I did most of my levelling, in a hotel, on my Steamdeck. The experience on all three has been good and playing on my PC has been an identical experience to my console.

I’m not a console elitist. I’m a pragmatist but, more importantly, I’m objective. To prove that PC is better than a Console you’d have to define what better actually is. My PC was not better when I was in a hotel on business. My Steamdeck was. My PC wasn’t better last night because I was knackered and just wanted to veg out on my couch. You’d have to trade off the pros and cons of each, accepting that what is better isn’t going to be the same for everyone.

But, if it’s so easy to prove then please, by all means, go for it. So far you’ve done no such thing.

If you’re trying to say that, ignoring all other factors, the PC is capable of performance which exceeds a console then I will agree with you. Is that what you were trying to suggest?

I’m happy to debate your posts Lilyia because you’re not coming in here to troll but the problem I’m seeing in your posts is that they’re inconsistent. You made a big point of telling mrtheoden that cost wasn’t relevant to your point. Then still talk about what is “inexpensive” when it suits you. Come on …which is it? Does money factor or not?

Up until very recently, Steam showed that the most used graphics card seen on their platform was the GTX1060 but, as people replace their 1060, the 1650 is now the most utilised card. That right there, is an “average” PC.

The GTX 1060 actually comes in at around 4.35 TFLOPS - under half what you’ve suggested. I used to have one of those cards (they were excellent at the price) and I can tell you, it wasn’t remotely good enough for 4K. It couldn’t hit 60FPS in most games at 1080p. The 1650 comes in at around the same place. In fact, if you want to go up the scale, you need a 2070 Super before you hit 9 TFLOPS. The forum won’t let me post links but Google “Report: PS5 GPU Outperforms a GeForce RTX 2070 Super” if you need evidence of this.

So, to get equivalent graphical performance from a PC you need a 2070 Super or GTX 3060. The stats show us that the average PC doesn’t have those cards. And that’s before we actually consider that these are theoretical statistics. I’m not sure if you can hit 4K@60 on a 2070 or 3060. However, I can tell you it’s FPS locked at 60 on the PS5.

Anyway, all of this is a huge tangent and, if we’re being honest, irrelevant to the topic at hand which is, at its heart, “is the need to have the game run on Console holding back the PC version?” As yet, nobody has made a compelling case that this is true. The only thing that the PC can bring to the table, which is relevant, is a keyboard and mouse. Modern consoles support mouse and keyboard - Diablo 4 does not. Ergo…Blizzard is holding back Diablo 4.

Of course it was. This game is designed for console first. If it were designed for PC you would find a lot of things you’re able to easily do now with a controller, would be more difficult.

This is a better point but I still think it misses the mark. Diablo 3 was specifically designed for PC and the experience on console, when it was released later, was actually better. The PC version not held back because of its console release.

There’s no reason to suggest it would be different here. There’s no reason to suggest the performance on PC would be any better as a result. And there’s no reason to suggest that anyone would be upset if the experience on different platforms were different.

I’m not arguing against cost and affordability for PC vs Console, I’m just stating that you can buy a good PC for an affordable price that will run most modern games and require little modifications.

I only emphasized that the bottom line in standard PC gaming graphic cards are good enough to achieve the similar numbers you’re quoting in favor of the PS5. I’m trying to set a benchmark for price vs performance.

You made a point , so I was just coinciding information with your point, money is always a factor, people want to purchase the most powerful rig for the best price. It really just depends on what you want.

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 has now replaced the GTX 1650 as the most popular graphics card on the platform, here is what the previous generation of graphics cards were up against.

Switch- 1 Tflop
WII, 12 GFlops
WII-U 352 Gflops

Ps4 - 1.8 Tflops.
Ps3- 230 Gflops

Xbox- 20 Gflops
Xbox 360 - 240 Gflops

your average PC card around this time was around the 900 series, which was around 4 Tflops, this was one of the more affordable Graphics cards, which maybe ran you around 250$ iirc at the time.

The break throughs for difference is only at the latest threshold for gaming consoles, between the Xbox X series, and Ps5.

I didn’t quote the GTX 1060, I said the 1080. These are two very different cards, with two very different speeds and bottleneck thresholds.

The 1080 is a bottom line for gaming PC graphics cards that will run 4k. They are very affordable, and are one of the most available in-stock graphics cards, most often, will come standard in a majority of PC’s that are order-built by manufacturers alongside up the 2080TI, 3080TI, and 4090 respectively towards their costs, if you cannot afford a more extensive graphics card the 1080 is a good pick.

A 1060 will run you about 130 bucks,
A 1650 will run 170 bucks.

a 1080 will run you about 180 bucks. ← this card is much better than the 1650 at almost the same price.

a 1080TI - 300 bucks.

I wonder if the crypto-currency mining was a major factor in driving up graphics card costs? There was definitely a time period where people were setting up these massive rooms for mining crypto.

No one is trying to achieve 4k performance at this period of time as a standard, 4k was a far cry for anything under PS5/Xbox X series, and is a pipedream for those on a budget. If you prioritize 4k over a superior peripheral and user-interface, I would express your priorities are backwards.

Anyone that plays FPS games on a PC will tell you it sucks really bad to play those same games on a console.

You do not, you can run just fine on a 1080. I’ve already expressed that; it is the closest in terms of Tflops in contrast to the Ps5/Xbox X series. You may not be able to achieve 4k at ultra settings to run smoothly.

I’m actually not sure. I have no idea how blizzard handles cross console to PC servers, but we can explore this.

(https://www.makeuseof.com/benefits-and-drawbacks-cross-play-gaming/)

Other than advantages of PC players over Console players, I don’t see any indication that it affects performance for anyone.

@Riven-2285 nobody bloody cares what you want either.

Sounds like you’re having a hissy fit. Go touch grass outside

Ya it would be nice to go back to pc master race again. Console people can enjoy their consoles let me have all the density!!!

can’t zoom out on pc :frowning:

you cant zoom out on anything tho right?

2000 called. It wants its hat back.

well you ARE hanging in the PC section of the forum as a console gamer. says a lot :wink:

here’s your section:
Latest Console Discussion topics - Diablo IV Forums (blizzard.com)

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Yet we have tons of casual games on PC (as like puzzle games on mobile was on PC first!) and even more assist flip trash on Steam that consoles reins in far tighter with. It been decades that PC games came with a tome that more useful for reading on toilet than learning the game as it mostly lore and pics. Being smug for paying more a for PC that still don’t have some the games that consoles get is just :person_facepalming: :man_facepalming: :woman_facepalming:.

@Eisenhorn-6230

Your pathetic. Don’t @ me you looser lol.

Except for the part where I play on PC.

Remember what they say about ASSuming.

@Zuell Thank you for the lul!

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weird takes then. why come off as a console gamer if youre a pc gamer?

just looking for discussions? interesting.

you do you hun