I feel like the devs made us pay for a broken game and now want more money to fix it

It is what it is…

Blizzard said Diablo IV was going to be improved over a period of time with an expac coming before too long.

This is exactly what has happened.

I played Diablo 2 for many years before Diablo III was released.

Diablo III went through so many big changes and QoL improvements.

Diablo IV is going the same route.

People will come up with all sorts of things to complain about no matter what happens.

I try to stay in the moment and enjoy what is in front of me.

Good luck and enjoy!

And?

They knew what a disaster D3 Vanilla was so they added something beyond the story with D4 Vanilla but they’ve been working on D4 for nearly a decade and despite heavily relying on the existing D3 code they forgot nearly every lesson they should’ve learned.

Of course many of the changes we’ve seen in D4 aren’t really responses to the millions of players but rather the dozens of streamers who seem to have Blizzard’s ear on everything.

So instead of a property designed by a small team with a vision it feels like a committee run project where the committee is using focus groups to make a product nobody really wants but plays anyways because it’s not the worst thing imaginable.

That could be the marketing blurb – “Diablo IV : Vessel of Hatred – It Could Be Worse!”

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Not everyone agrees with you on the disaster judgement.

Also you could buy/sell gear with cash and in game gold.

There isn’t an “and.” My post was demonstrating that the concept shown in the title of the thread is not a new concept. Blizzard has been doing it for years. They release unfinished games/expansions and major issues often aren’t fixed until a new paid version comes out. Sometimes major issues aren’t ever fixed.

They will fix the D4 turning it into a new D3, as we can see in all changes that they made in the game till now.
sometimes they will bring some MMO stuff and a summarized inspiration from others games to say they bring some news for the game.
I lost my hope with the game

True… at a certain level we shouldn’t be surprised by their behavior. It’s almost cliche at this point. But at the very least we should be able to vent about it. Heck, venting on the forums is about as much fun as playing the game at times.

I feel like you have a highly original mind.

The devs didn’t make you do anything. You have a choice, use it.

Its not necessarily a wrong thing to say.

Did you feel covid vaccine an option with your job or livelihood on the line?

There is choice and then perceived choice or lack thereof.

Very psychological.

while we are comparing things, is your job or livelihood on the line if you dont get VoH?

Good try at the straw man.

:wink:

Conceptually again its about the perception of a decision or choice.

Is it truly a decision not to buy an expac if the power is gated behind it?

Much more relevant.

Do you really want to play d4? You really need to buy the expac.

yes it is. especially when its known that im playing a game thats supposed to have yearly expansions. Quitting a game is an absolutely fair option (just like to keep playing, knowing i wont have access to certain things). The strawman fallacy is rather the post i quoted from you there my friend.

Probably need some more logic courses my man.

The conversation was not about the covid vaccine it was the perception of choice or lack of one.

Same here. Agree?

As you said there is no choice. To play is to get the expac.

So its not about getting the expac its just about playing at all.

absolutely not. as i said, you also have the option to keep playing the base game. if you enjoy it. the base game even still receives updates.

What was it again about the logic course?

See original quote nyurei and basis of discussion.

Good try.

I think you are in rabid mode or something, usually you are a bit better than this.

exactly. the choices are, buy the expac and get access to new stuff and powers
dont; and keep playing the base game
or quit

its not comparable at all to

in pretty much every way.

I am illustrating what people perceive conceptually.

I dont necessarily agree with it.

That is why it is psychological.

You again are being aggro.

Im not going to bother engaging you again tonight.

You need to dial it back a bit.

that is fine, just like its fine to say it doesnt make any contextual sense.

what i think needs to be dialed down a bit is hyperbolic comparisons.

They did have to save some things for an xpac. If there’s nothing to improve upon how do you make an xpac?

The game has been very wonky and unbalanced from the get go though.

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balance wise for sure, still i think its a far more solid release than d3^^