If you folks cry for 70$ on a game in the USA. Re-think your priorities seriously. Saying this as a middle of the road, person. Not rich, not poor either. If you can’t afford fun in a video game. Get your crap together.
About comparing Diablo 2 - 3 - 4, you need to have a retrospective. What were those games at release.
Since most people cannot make a retrospective. Due to the fact that they didn’t play them.
I’ll give it to you straight.
Diablo 2 at release had 2 bosses to farm. Mephisto and Diablo. The expansion fixed it all.
Diablo 3 at release had no adventure mode, no bounties, no rifts, no greater rifts. The expansion fixed it all.
Diablo 4 at release has a uber boss (albeit useless), and continues to add things.(Not mentioning NMD and Helltides)
When you compare things, speak about it with the same merit. 4 months after release, none of these games were good.
About the price tag. Games are almost the same price compared to the inflation. So crying about a game which you will probably play for a long time is just ugh, pathetic.
And no, nobody cares about a steam release when you have the game already. As before nobody cried if your CD of the game is greed/black/red. You got it, so you have the game.
People will naturally do Whispers content (especially with its changes) as well as killing World Bosses and the events.
I’ve only once been to any event or World Boss and been the only person there, and they ended within seconds of it starting.
So people will likely have so much in their resources to summon and kill the 2 bosses that are needed to summon Duriel. Note: they’re bosses, they have unique loot tables, and chances to drop uniques and uber uniques too, so you’re not wasting your time.
A lot of people will probably want to farm those bosses anyway, so what you’ll end up with is a lot of people having something from Varshan, a bunch of people with something from the new Vampire boss, and they’ll trade what they’ve farmed while getting the uniques they wanted for chances are Duriel, and will just run them back to back.
If they don’t have any of the items, they still don’t need to farm and kill the bosses, they can just buy the matts from someone and summon Duriel straight away.
This also means that people that don’t mind, or quite enjoy farming will do that, and just sell all of those matts to the people that are too lazy to do it themselves and make bank.
The key here is that it was for a single item as you note, and that item could be traded. And even for that item - you could just farm runes or other items and trade for it. You didn’t have to even ever run Ubers.
Right - but they don’t drop the “uber uniques” that’s the issue. Despite what some moronic folks in the thread suggest, this isn’t about just wanting something handed to players, obviously (given the number of D2 comparisons I’ve made) I’m down to farm, to run Chaos sanctuary, or baal, or whatever thousands of times. The issue is that “Uber” Duriel is essentially Baal in D2. It’s this highest Monster lvl boss, with the ability to drop all the items with a functional (“very rare”) chance of doing so. There is no other option in the game for this - none. Put a whole dungeon in front of him, give him waves of minions to fight through, whatever. But having to clear other dungeons, kill other bosses, just to farm mats (which is sounds like will be several) just to fight duriel once - with a super rare chance of ANY “uber” unique drop, and still no idea if its the one, or one of those you actually care to find (lets face it, some of them suck - looking at you oculus). Don’t force me to play a crappy part of the game I don’t want to, repeatedly, just to play the part I want to a tiny bit.
Lot’s of solutions to this of course, and many could be learned by D2 - but the devs don’t seem to want us loot hunting in this loot hunt… Could have all bosses, including the bosses with the mats to fight duriel have a chance to drop uber uniques, could increase their drop rates in hell tides (I think they did, but its still stupid low and functionally non-existent), could just put them on the general loot table with incredibly low drop rates, but functionally much more likely to find one - so you could just clear open world content if you want in hopes of finding one. Let players play whatever content they want - with the potential of the ultimate reward.
I’m also a bit worried about what level you are going to need to be just to get access to duriel and thus functional access to the uber uniques. It’s fine to have some qualification of course, WT3, WT4 I guess even. Like Nightmare and Hell changed the loot tables for bosses. But - it was awesome to loot a shako off Hell Meph or an Soj off Andy at level 65 or something right ? Amazing feeling, huge boost in power, and then you felt like a boss while you continued to level and play. One of the biggest problems in D3 was - the run to 60 was just pointless, no one gave a crap about any of the drops, because the “real loot” didn’t start til 60 … I worry we are doing that again. Rush to 100, the real loot doesn’t start til then.
And whats the main take that d2 has over d4? bingo trading. Can’t trade for unique or “uber” uniques in d4. Cant even trade legendaries.
Any mob can drop uber uniques if it is past the monster level 85+ these bosses just offer an increased chance… an increase we truly don’t know the %…
Actually since you like to use D2 as reference… Baal is technically the “highest” boss, but that only equates to better “chances” of dropping items more frequently… The thing though any of the Level 85 area zones where the Super Unique monsters they are 86+ you can find all items excluding certain runes. Hence why some people choose to run the Pit or Tunnels as well.
I get that, but going to these bosses aren’t purely straight forward. Chaos sanc you literally have to pop to summon diablo. Granted its rather fast… Baal takes a bit more time since you need to clear the initial waves in the throne. Assuming you aren’t BiS such as sorc with ifinity merc or a hammerdin with a gg merc to clear the 2nd wave then its fast and no problem.
the preferred level will be 100 its going to be just like uber lilith… As for uber uniques we do not know yet what is to drop from duriel because they said each of the new bosses will have specific target loot only they drop. Still though any monster that is 85+ will drop any of the current uber uniques in the game.
The biggest problem was everyone rushed to 70 completed the journey and was literally given a free 6piece set… Then only to do what? Rifts & GR’s… wahooo so fun…
Its already becoming this… The introduction of the 920 gear. Give it another season or 2 and we will be chasing item level gear of 1000. They are going to keep expanding onto this because players want to feel that power.
What happens when players are decked out in 920 gear? They will say where is the challenge, game has no content, its boring. They will add “higher” mobs to fight or a new WT for that matter and they will have up the item level. Repeat the process.
Players these days don’t want to shelve a character because its completed and has all the best gear it can possibly have. They want to continue to build on that character and the only way is to increase monster difficulty and item level. For me personally I do not like that one bit. I’d rather be at a point that my character is literally 100% perfected and can’t get any better.
I think we mostly agree then - yea. A lot’s going to have to do with % drop rates and stuff. One big issue is that - as you note you can technically find the uber uniques anywhere - you functionally can’t. The drop rate is so low they might as well not exist, only Duriel will give a real chance (though again we don’t know what).
And the I agree about the 920 gear and rush to 100 - it’s funny people were complementing the devs on preventing power creep earlier - but I think this just leads to power creep
Lol yea - as others have clearly pointed out - if you think I got “owned” you really can’t understand basic concepts or comparisons. “Uber Duriel” is just a marketing label - he has basically the same positioning in the game that Baal had in Diablo 2. He isn’t an Uber the way Uber’s existed in D2 - you know, farm the mats once, guaranteed a drop of one single specific item.
Huh? So is that a yes we can find them anywhere but is nullified because the drop rate is so low that basically equates to no you cant find them? Regardless of the % you can still find them…
Hypothetically, if the uber drop chance is 5% from any mob out there. Uber Duriel chance is 15%. With that ratio you would more than likely stumble across one of these uber uniques while gathering materials to fight Uber Duriel 1 time for that 15%. This would be a decent ratio.
However with the real %'s i suspect the gap is quite larger. Meaning that uber uniques dropping from mobs are clearly well under 1% probably .001 or lower than that. What if we get the number of the % for Duriel and its just a measly 5%? Certainly is easier, but up to the player to gather said materials.
They needed to add requirements to the summon of the uber boss. You take away those requirements. You just essentially stripped away all the other content aside from nightmare dungeons to level glyphs. Because people will ONLY farm for that chance.
There have been hundreds of millions of hours play, and only a few of the uber uniques found. The drop rate isn’t 0.001%, its closer to 0.00000001%. Functionally non-existent. The only place to farm for the “uber uniques” (more marketing BS) is Duriel. Duriel is the equivalent to Baal. That’s it.
Farming is great - if you can actually farm the parts of the game you want to and have that be rewarding. Being forced to farm one portion of the content repeatedly, just to have a short access to the content you actually want to do - is not. That’s a crappy mechanic that makes you play X:Y of Stuff you don’t want to do:Stuff you wan to do, with X being significantly bigger than Y.
You enjoy yourself only a minority of the time you are playing in this mechanic.
Did you clearly not read my last line??? I EVEN stated the gap is quite larger… .001 or lower than that. Thank you EINSTEIN… didn’t know my state “or lower” is not relevant.
Hundreds of millions of hours of gameplay have been played correct. HOW DO we as players know the true count of uber unique that have been found? Are you know just referencing the season? or All of D4? Cause did you not remember the blunder of “hell tides” where players got shakos?
Tell me you don’t understand numbers, frequencies, etc without telling me. Oh you did a great job thanks.
Your statement “or lower” is not relevant when framed as:
“Clearly well under 1%, “PROBABLY” 0.001 or lower” 0.001 would be 1 in a thousand. A THOUSAND . 0.00000001 is 1 in One HUNDRED MILLION. You can kill 1000 mobs in an hour. You could play your entire life and NEVER kill one hundred million mobs. 1000 mobs an hour, is 11 YEARS of straight play to kill 100 million mobs. “Probably 0.001, or lower” lolol “lower” indeed. So low, in fact, as many have stated, they functionally don’t exist. The Devs have told us basically to pretend they don’t exist. Duriel is the only option they are giving us to even have a “very rare” chance of finding them. If “very rare” is considerably more available than they are currently — how rare do you think they are ? Functionally non-existent.
Do you suggest what? Uber Guaranteed Farm? There is no logic, if it is easy there is no hunt and no emotion in it. I believe it will still be very difficult, but you will have a chance to see it, or meet someone who does.
Okay okay, we’ll stop having this discussion… You are upset you don’t have a beloved shako. I’ll say this nor do i, but would i run it? Nah not really uniques are trash minus a select few.
But i appreciate you coming to another thread just to seek me out. Thanks for the follow. Dont forget to smash that like button, subscribe and hit that bell notification…
Funny enough - when people try to say Duriel is an “uber” and that’s why its ok you have to farm the mats/keys to fight him … the ubers had a guaranteed drop. Yes.
But no - I don’t want that either. I mean - unless they are going to keep the stupid key’s grind - i guess, since this is an “uber”.
I want to be able to run content, bosses, whatever with a functional chance of the best items dropping. Not having to run a bunch of content I don’t enjoy and have no chance of reward from, just to get the mats, to fight the boss once that still has a very rare chance of dropping anything good. That’s a crappy mechanic.
Lol I don’t want to have a chance to know someone who has it. I want every time I am killing a boss and I see a golden item drop, for my pulse to quick and my hopes to soar for an instant, that THAT could be the ONE - that’s what I am looking for - instead of spending 10 hours grinding knowing there is no chance of what I want dropping, to play 20 mins where there is almost no chance of what I want dropping.
I played thousand and thousands of hours of D2 and D3 - and every time a Unique ring would drop off Andy, or Baal, or in the Chaos sanctuary, you could FEEL the anticipation - there is none of that in this game. Its dead, bland, boring - because you know nothing good is going to drop 99% of the time - nothing good CAN even drop, functionally.
The difference is that in the race to 100 you will need legendary, gold and material. Imagine that you played with friends and someone puts you straight at level 100. You still need to adjust your build to start the game. Imagine facing Duriel. Hopefully may it not be easy.
I’m always there for those who need an education - maybe you learned a little math / probabilities today. A good day for you. Glad I could be of help. Now when you have any other tricky questions, you know who to come to.
