Often yes, but not always. Plenty of free to play games have operated for years, very successfully without having any pay to win aspects in them. The best example is the titan of free to play PC games League of Legends which only sells cosmetics and is massively profitable, but no amount of money will ever allow you to have an edge over another player who is better than you.
So again it comes back to the model of the microtransactions in the game. What EA does with Madden is terrible, what Riot does with League is fine.
I bought all the crap in that game, but at the end of the day mod menu kiddies ruined it.
I hear you, but hereās my opinion on it: I donāt care. People will buy the overpriced skins and help fuel the continued development of the game. The skins mean nothing to me, they donāt affect my gameplay in any way, and they exist to support the game as a live service game.
Is it overpriced? Sure, I think so. But someone else might not think so, and if that makes them happy, then good for them. And good for Blizzard. And at the end of it all, good for me too, because Blizzard keeps creating new content for the game. Thatās how live service games work. Love it or hate it, it is what it is.
Great, Iām glad we agree and understand each other. Now if you read my initial statement youāll see that I didnāt mean anything ultra negative about whales when I used that word in my post. I simply said that whales canāt help themselves, thatās not a disgusted dig, more like a humorous poke.
I donāt think thereās anything wrong at all with the shop in this game as it exists right now. If people want to shell out money to Blizz for those skins, have at it fellas. Iām very happy with how my characters look with whatās available in the regular game.
Or we hope they do, but I have been burned like with GTA and nothing done vs script kiddies.
Thatās just how it goes though. Sometimes investments donāt pay off.
Hereās the simple reality. If the skins are overpriced then no one will buy them and Blizzard will eventually lower the price to a price that people will. Thatās simply economics.
If people are buying them at that price, then thereās no reason why Blizzard should lower their price, the market is dictating that they are worth what they are priced at.
The problem, if you can even call it that, will fix itself in time. As long as the skins do not affect the gameplay experience of others, then thereās nothing wrong with them being there at all.
GASP a conversation that ends without fighting bickering or name calling?! Refreshing but you sure we are on the right forums? LOL
I will say this as a closing, I bought the āweight of goldā because the set on a barb reminds me of Shao Khan in a way which, I always viewed as one of my favorite villains in any fighting game. I can also say the other sets they offer so far (to me) for druid, necro, rogue, sorc look HORRID and I would never buy them lol the ingame free rogue items look way better then any store offerings.
Yeah - more recent F2P now employee questionable tactics, spending lots money for research on how best to understand and use mental triggers and behaviors to get you to spend monies ā¦ infact they monitor your every keystroke in-game and use this data to uniquely target you with purchases and offers ā¦ almost like been brain washed.
I can agree the prices of the skins for just one class is high for pixels, especially when you consider how this game is lacking in social functionality. Like in GTA you had car meets and showed off all your car mods, this does not happen in D4, now. When people get a flashy car or clothes they are usually doing it to go show off, who are you showing off to in D$4?
psychology is not a true hard science, they donāt give nobel prizes in psychology for a reason
the closest thing was pavlov, but that was more physiology than psychology
I agree thatās a bit creepy, but honestly thatās just the nature of the beast in the 21st century. Every company everywhere whether itās for video games or handsoap is doing that these days.
At some point, you just have to learn to adjust to it. I can tune it out well enough. Others if they value their hard earned coin will have to as well.
Let me get this straight:
PoEā¦ cash shopā¦free gameā¦some skins cost up to $500. Some are cheaper ofc but the best ones cost a lot.
D4ā¦cash shopā¦game costs(up to $100)ā¦skins cost $25.
I still see a $375 difference here.
Not to mention D4 will eventually have shop sales and stuff. That part is pretty much guaranteed.
Yea PoE has crazy stuff, I never got into it much myself so didnāt spend anything. They lacked the epic cinematic videos blizzard has I guess.
is it wrong I am unhappy last week shop items and this week are nearly the same like come on! show me something new LOL
They lack a lot of things. But letās face it they are the number 1 D4 competitor currently and D4ās cash shop looks very reasonable compared to theirās.
They could make them $1 and I still wouldnāt buy them. You can barely even see your armor in game why would you pay for a skin? Seems like the biggest waste of money ever.
people who are extremely triggered by basic capitalistic phenomenon usually have a specific bias, but I wonāt get into that
maybe do some soul searching if cash shop in games bother you on a serious level
I have yet to go into the cash shop. Based on what I am reading, there is no incentive to do so. Just a bunch of expensive garbage that should have been included in the base game to begin with.
Itās not surprising Whales support greedy corporate practices, as they are likely part of the greedy corporate system to begin with.
The problem as I have said before, is that they want a small number of people buying expensive skins so they can show their bosses that they made 500% profit on the skin.
It sounds great but if they only sell 1,000 of the skin, itās a pathetic profit.
They ignore all the 100ās of 1,000ās of player who would drop a couple bucks on the skin if it was that cheap.