You literally dont know that
Average gear? You mean not every affix GA?
0-1GA.
AH (at current version of game) would work just for late endgame if you want to minmax.
If you are happy with less (nothing bad about it) AH is not must have, just qol.
What about a AH to guilds only?
I know is easy to just get in/out a guild, but it will reduce a little the mass marketing with botting, etc.
The only reason I would want an AH is if I wanted to not play the game and get the gear by way of RMT and spend that gold on the gear. At that point why would I even want to play? There is no reason to even trade at all, as I sit spamming H8 easily on three classes with gear I obtained just playing the game.
What would I get for selling all the 3 GA gear that I have sitting in my stash? Some gold I don’t need, or some Boss mats I haven’t needed since the second day of the season?
Look how high I pushed in the Pit everyone?
They should just take the AH from WoW and put it in Diablo. Same UI, same search functions, etc. Let us set a currency value that we want for the item. Maybe it’s gold, maybe it’s Exquisite Blood or Stygian Stones. Just let us put something up for trade and set our price. That’ sit.
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Yes we do. They said they heard people complaining that they had too many useless drops (rares). Hence they made two changes. They did itemisation, so making the items themselves more useful. And to complement this, they ‘decreased’ the drop rates. I say decreased because, let’s be honest, are you complaining now that you’re getting too little loot? No. It’s just that the amount of loot before season 4, was not only a lot, but most of it useless, people only picked up items to vendor off.
Then, the second change they made, idk why they made this change, they allowed uniques and legendaries to be tradable. This had a ripple effect on a lot of systems, but what it didn’t have an effect on was the drop rates themselves. Sure, you could assume that the drop rates would be affected by the introduction of an AH, just like I could assume the expansion of the trading had no effect on trading. But all in all, it’s currently very poorly managed.
It’s simple maths, I need to explain it like this since people don’t understand.
Let T be the total population of D4 players, X1 be the people who use the diablo trade website, Y1 be the total amount of listings on the diablo trade website, K1 be the total assets in the diablo trade house (total amount of gold in circulation). Let X2, Y2, K2 be the equivalent, but for a proposed auction house. Note that, K1 ( and K2) are sums, of the sum of each item multiplied by its gold cost.
Now to deal with logical assumptions.
We know that X2>X1, since a higher proportion (and thus a higher total population of people) would use the proposed in game auction house. This is for many reasons, but the biggest one would be its ease of use, any system that directs you to outside resources to deal with an operation within the system will always be less efficient than if it was in the system itself.
At this stage, I have to justify every step, not only with reasons, but with real life example, lest some clowns argue for the sake of arguing. A real life analogy for the above is, apple translate vs google translate when using an iPhone. It is clear to everyone, that using the system built-in and widely accessible apple translate is more efficient. Hence this point has been proven.
Now, the next logical step, what does it mean if X2>X1? Well, that means more items would be listed. What follows here is a logical conclusion from economics, supply and demand. More items listed → better deals for everyone looking for the best/cheap deals → items would not be overpriced in this proposed AH. In fact, since the items would not be overpriced, one could assume that RMT/botters will have a harder time, this is an assumption, and the situation could easily be overseen once the AH has been implemented. In fact, many more items would be listed, not just for those who find the diablo trade website a chore to use and refuse to use it all, but also for those who currently use it. A lot more listings of (especially gear) sub 5 million, i.e. normal legendaries, normal uniques, would appear.
And that above, the more items listed, Y1<<<Y2, would mean that K1<K2. That the total assets of a proposed AH would, obviously, exceed the amount in the diablo trade website, an obvious conclusion given that more people would be listing more items.
In conclusion, for a trading economy, a hub where more people can trade freely is a must to avoid overpriced items. A real life example would be a bulk supermarket (think Costco) thats 10 miles away, but you have the choice of going in to order, or order online. In this case, going in to order would be the equivalent of a third party trading website, and ordering online, would be a first party trading website. Especially since the corner shops can only bulk order in person, to resell it. A perfect analogy. Due to the location of this supermarket, it may not be logistical for people to pop in, and the internet generation started around the time of covid (and certainly later than 2015), and the result you will have is, more internet sales since it has a wider reach.
Suppose now, that you wanted to play a game, say Diablo 4 24/7 for an entire week, but your parents told you to go get groceries the next day. Now, let me ask you, would you be wasting more time browsing/selling items in person, or online? The total number of monster kills you’d have, from the time you would’ve saved, had it been first party, would be much much higher. If one didn’t want to go get groceries, but instead paid someone else to get their groceries, do you really care if they went in person or ordered it online? Which one would be cheaper? There are obvious answers. The answer to the first is, you don’t care what they do. But you would care about the money, you’d make them do whichever is cheaper. Ordering online is cheaper (think Uber vs supermarket deliveries), and it becomes cheaper the more you order. In this game, if you really wanted to spend the least amount of real money, an AH is the better one, which would result in a chain effect of, RMT becomes cheaper and less efficient, hence they start to move away.
Suppose additionally, to take a real life example. Prime (the juice). Remember the price at the beginning? With limited trade? And look at the price now? With virtually unlimited trade? Its basic demand and supply, the amount available on the market, and the rate at which you find them is irrelevant to their production amount.
For one who doesn’t want to go get groceries at all, or doesn’t want to pay anyone to get groceries for them, what can one say them. Nothing can be said at all, the events and all its implications are irrelevant to them.
You’d not only get the satisfaction of helping other people, but also gold. The gold you don’t need anymore, added to the gold you would’ve bought from RMT. Because without RMT, gold would be more scarce, and you wouldn’t see people complaining about the little gold they receive from this game. Who doesn’t need boss mats? The only ones who don’t are the ones who speak with their wallets rather than their mouths. Imagine if boss mats couldn’t be traded, then you’d be saying the same thing at best, and at worst, you’d be saying ‘look at all this RMT gold I bought, can’t even buy boss mats with it, dam’.
I have never bought gold bro. I have more than enough of all resources by just playing the game.
I also very much like how I do not have to not have fun in an AH menu or use any third party BS.
I help people out all the time doing what I think is fun, and that is playing the game.
Bro… that and this below
Mean that you have enough gold, okay.
But this,
Not everyone can do T8, especially not without trading at all. Do you want a medal that you’re essentially playing SSF. To get gold, most people actually trade it away.
Also, here, fixed it for you
The point of this thread isn’t to say that trading is useless. Congrats for playing without trading, but you’re making an incorrect assumption, that basically everyone who trades uses RMT gold…
Because according to you, currently, people can get the gear by way of RMT and spend that gold on the gear, and hence not actually play the game. But I could do that with normal trading, and the diablo trade website right now…
To be fair the game isnt taylored for rmt and trade simulation the way it would be with an AH. Now, if they handled it the way LE did it would be fine. It was actual something LE did quite well.
Those who believe its just add an ah with no extream controls wont impact those who want to kill monster to get loot are delusional.
I agree the game is third party PTW currently.
You cannot acquire any gear not playing the game and not buying gear by way of RMT.
I also would love them taking trading out of the game as you have edited my post for your means. This way we could one day have a Leaderboard that wasn’t just PTW CC warriors.
SageBeast, your post was 6606 characters, 1206 words. That’s four times longer than the Gettysburg Address.
You’re not getting your stupid AH and no amount of pounding your face into the keyboard is going to change it. At this point it’s unhealthy and you need to touch grass.
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I´m supporting AH addition but there must be BOA after purchase.
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I would like to trade in D4 but only with an auction house.
Not interested at all being scammed by third party sites.
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Already is when things cost at least 1b per piece for your build. Hello gold sellers that are cashing in!
To be fair though this would happen in some form regardless of what they did.
You got me thinking of applying AI to a in game auction house. That would be pretty sweet. Instead of a static AH it would be like a living ah where you sell all your stuff through an ai broker. You could sell or buy at market price or set price. That would be something I’d get excited about.
This is a good idea.
hahahaha so true!
Exactly; and to make it worse he is ignoring all the actual real-life reasons why an AH would be a problem. People don’t realize BIS gear on an AH would be unaffordable for the great majority of players.
It still has to drop for someone. The items don’t just magically appear from thin air (or, if they do, Blizzard will “shut down trading while we investigate duping” AGAIN lol.)
I don’t care one way or the other. As long as drop rates aren’t lowered if an AH is introduced, I could care less.
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But they of course will be adjusted. Earlier in the thread I mentioned a youtube video of a D3 developer talking about the D3 auction house, and they revamped everything under the assumption that the vast majority of your gear would come from the AH.
If they didn’t, then gearing would lose all meaning, because the gearing game-play would consist of walking up to the AH, and buying your best in slot set.