Dude, D3 Necromancer has mobility skills where D2 Necromancer doesn’t have it. What do you have to say about this? It is pretty safe that if Druid is made into D3, he will get a general mobile skill.
Thus limited and inflexible.
I have FA+Lightning Amazon. It is actually a legit build that is actually useful, fun and powerful. So why do you treated bow+javalin Amazon-like something weird here?
Good. Because you sound like every encounter in D2 is beyond the mortal to clear it.
The funny thing is I just Fury with little maneuver all the way in my run with my werewolf.
If you are actually paying attention to the D3 GR150 video I shared before, you will realize that the player is not using Templar.
Also, even if you don’t use a potion, it doesn’t change the fact that unskilled/normal players can still clear the same content as you do with the potion (or rejuvenation potions) spamming alone meanwhile in D3, unskilled/normal players will just die in GR150 because the potion has 30s cooldown.
See you on the top 10 HC leaderboard then because that is the only thing I want to see.
It’s okay and it will get you through hell, just like a cold/fire sorc will, but they are weak af compared to godly single elemental builds that can kill faster in hell solo 8 players games than the hybrids can in nightmare in one player games.
On /p8, yes, and funny, that’s how you sound about D3.
On players 1, that’s no different than T3 on D3. Look at the junk my two lvl 70 barbarians are built with and only paragon 214. T3 I rarely take any damage with each of them. I’m feeling my way through the torrents and it feels like my junk characters could handle T5, but I need to play smart, play around in T3 to get a feel for the type of attacks I’m being hit with. As for the greater rifts, it’s just a matter of learning how monsters attack and with what. GR150 is probably no different than solo fighting a dozen Uber Mephistos in the same game. Actually, GR150 would probably be easier.
That’s just one of multiple different ways a D3 character can near insta-heal.
Absolute BS. Record your druid clearing Chaos naked with just a weapon on /p8. Spam all the potions you want.
Never happen. It’ll take too long, and I’ll be playing D2:R to top it’s leader board, then I might try D:I and then on to D4 and then likely back to D2:R.
You really and totaly flying… Too too high. You have no Idea what diablo 2 is.
1- why to hit 99?
Diablo2 in not a Power creep casual newbish 5th category game. The level 99 is the ultimate Challenge in game. Get It. It not about "more points’’
2- “in the dust”
Seriously…
Did you ever play solo 130++++ in diablo3
What is your highest solo? How Far you got throu this pathetic diablo3??? The hell who told you this game have synergis??? What balance this game has orcsels sustain???
The psychological effect it has on a person, a person whom does it legitimately, is in fact one of the greatest single efforts many D2 players will experience in life. I know this because I have spoken over voice chat with 99ers and most have never done anything in life that requires that much dedication in a relatively short period of time. A person whom accomplishes this early in life is reward with a self belief that if they put their mind and heart to anything, they know they will be successful - 99ing is in fact a taste of what is required to be highly successful in life. Same goes for accomplishing the Holy Grail legitimately. Times them both by 1000 using a hardcore character. Legitimately 99ing and completing the Holy Grail are huge accomplishments.
Because you can see how many people are able to clear GR150 solo from D3 leaderboard, while many people can clear D2 /p8 if they really wanted, just super slow than those top players.
Well, until you actually cleared GR150 solo, your word has no weight.
When I said the same content, I was referring to CS run with /p8 where unskilled players with gear can brute force/clear it just by spamming potions when unskilled players with the same gear as top player won’t be able doing that in D3 GR150.
I know because it will take so much time to reach there. Even your regular D3 HC players are hard pressed to reach to that point.
It’s weak af and isn’t viable. No one uses it. The bow skills section is in fact the most complained about skill section in all of D2, because it is the weakest of all 21 character skill sections. I doesn’t cut the mustard.
Not true at all. More then 99% of all D2 players could never clear D2 LoD in hell on P8 without cheating. I’ve been a part of the D2 community across all social media and played among the best on the ladder, the vast majority of the so called elites are not great players. Less than 12 in almost 20 years have truly impressed me.
And neither does yours regarding D2 LoD. The difference between you and I is, I am one of the best D2 players in the history of the game, but you’re average in D3 judging by your profile, and you’re certainly nothing special in D2, so I’m more inclined to be far superior to you playing D3 if I were to dedicate 6 continuous months to the game.
You’re wrong. You have a ribcracker and a Reaper’s merc, lets see you do it fully geared.
Tell me what gear a ww barb needs to clear GR150 and how to acquire said gear without cheating. If the gear isn’t to hard to obtain, I’ll do it relatively quickly.
Maxroll.gg for builds. With ethereals giving a huge boost this season u should rly abuse that if u wanna clear gr150.
If u not gonna play season u wont find ethereals. Gears in d3 is ez to find. There is no trade so they increased the droprate a huge amount. U have all the gears in no time.
As d3 got 20 difficulties if u dont count GRs u still in the lower end which is more equal to d2 normal. As d2 had 3x difficulties.
If d3 har 3x difficulties normal should be up to somewhere around t6.
However the scaling is alot different in d3 compare to d2. This is prolly why u believe its ez now. The scaling accelerate in d3.
Just so you know what to expect, the torment difficulties are still ridiculously easy (despite their name) if you’re geared right. I’m sure they were a challenge at some point but with patches everything is extremely powerful now so they no longer are. Torment 16 is for speedfarming, with a full build you should be instakilling stuff (to farm death breaths, bounty caches for crafting mats, and most importantly GR keys). It’s only greater rifts in the 100’s that it’ll start to feel like a challenge. My highest clear (on console, I quit the PC version due to arthritis) was 110, I’m not that good at the game though and it was many patches ago.
At least in my experience, torment never stops being normal difficulty as long as I’m doing the gear progression right
I think the whirlrend build (based on the wrath of the wastes set, based on whirlwind and rend) should still be able to clear a 150 unless it was nerfed, I didn’t keep up with barb meta. The gear itself is easy to get (as in, the right legendaries), the problem is that you’ll need well rolled gear (if you do it on season, ethereals should help), and that is much bigger RNG. Also need a lot of paragon levels.
I said it that way instead. In no way I ever meant D2 is a power creep or about more points; I just pointed the lack of endgame content. The offered content feels faded compared to the effort you put yourself through. If you’re capable of soloing Ubers at level 92-95, which is the ultimate challenge, what point in getting level 99 for?
I didn’t use such term but I said.
I don’t think GR130 has directly anything to do with what I said; it’s the endgame content; despite it being separated by tiers, it’s not a level up system.
Diablo 2 might feel superior for leveling up as it’s a solid synergy or a new skill level, but endgame content don’t really catch up with Ubers. Again I pointed at D3 winning the content comparison for me which are Greater Rifts. If D2R patches the dupes, it’d at least make more sense to loot something in the game instead of buying it in 2 mins flat like back in D2.
I agree with your opinion, this must be simple to see. If you wanna really know I’m around GR109-111 non-season, which I told you before. I don’t have time to sink in to the game at all, nor I’m obliged to give you an excuse or details about my daily life. Stop asking.
I usually take the lvl85-99 phase as the paragon level of Diablo 2. Level 99 as I see it is only for extra synergies required which can mean a big boost. Back when skill respecs weren’t a thing reaching lvl99 ensures you have an almost perfect character even though you might have allocated the points rather careless.
Most of the legit anti-PK and PK skill builds are from bow Amazons. You can’t blame the guy for having at least one dedicated bow skill.
You can check leaderboards for Wrath of the Wastes Set at non-Seasonal. They have about 10-12k plvl or so. It’s not hard to obtain but it’s years of accumulated gameplay time.
Don’t know how you came to the conclusion when I am just saying that Bow+Javazon is a thing. Hybrid builds tend to be decent for the players who are not rich.
Funny for you to say this when there were people using it:
And? I have cleared D2 Hell Mode with it. If you think this build is not viable and I am still able to clear D2 Hell Mode, that means D2 Hell itself is a joke then?
Oh please, if you can solo /P8 without gear, why do you think those people can’t doing it will full gear + potion spam + TP combo?
Do it then for D3. I don’t entertain empty talk here. Until you actually cleared GR130+ with your HC character, any claim from you that calling D3 is too easy is nothing but nonsense.
I am currently playing FF14 and I certainly don’t feel to use my time playing D2 over FF14. I may do that once I am done with FF14.
Not mine, but apparently there was people doing /p8 Chaos Clear already
His strategy pretty much stands there, spam DPS skill and spam potionswhen necessary.
Instead of asking me, why don’t you just log in to D3 and see the leaderboard? The leaderboard will list all the things and info you needed to clear GR140~GR150.
Also, why do you think people can even cheat in D3 PC in the first place?
You can’t really acquire proper gear even with “cheating” in Diablo 3 though. That’s the context of his words. Everything is damn random in D3’s itemization.
Oh, you need reduced damage from ranged or physical/lightning resistance on the secondary affix to push GRs? Too bad, here’s a combination of extra gold find and pickup radius on perfectly fine Ancient quality item. Have fun.
Was thinking more of paragon. Nothing random about that.
Eh, I think D3 lacks more of that. Not the “need” aspect (D3 scaling is completely out of whack), but in the sense of more affixes being important than just the trifecta affixes. Looking for those slightly better items is a big part what Diablo should be about. The eternal hunt for something a bit closer to perfection. That does require absurd amounts of RNG (D3s issue is more that it focuses on RNG in the wrong areas, such as affix ranges). The problem is only that those items makes too much of a difference, again due to the absurd scaling. And Ancient items of course should not exist.
And I was thinking about botting so I didn’t consider that at all.
We could have but I find build aspects to be lackey for end game. Also we kind of have that but it’s so tedious as dealing higher damage over time with high attack speed always valued over harder hitting builds. This should be addressed. Server performance is always above the build diversity, this again should be addressed.
Hoarders pushed developers to do that. Because everyone was stuffing their stash with useless trash for collection purposes. Higher quality items stood as a filter for what players should keep and smelt to get rewarded for it. Easier than increasing the stash space when you think about it. Entire game was built upon power creep anyway; what’s 25-30% more stats?
Character levels do not exist in D3. You can not be a higher or a lower level than a monster (this distinction being the whole purpose of having levels in an RPG game, apart from being able to customize your character with stat and skill points upon gaining a new level, which also does not exist in D3). So this is just an illusion - a meaningless number that you have to farm once until you can reach specific “end game content”.
In comparison, D2 leveling is not something that you are ever done with - unless you reach level 99 which you won’t. Leveling IS THE GAME. The whole thing.
Itemization does not exist in D3. “Items” serve purely as a provision of stats to pump your numbers higher with an added spell effect on top. They could easily replace this illusory system with a single slot where you have a single “item” and have its numbers go up as you grind the game - like in retail WoW (the so-called “linear progression”). Why would there even be more than one item equip slot if there is absolutely no distiction from what one type of item can do compared to the next? Legendary items have names, but this name has no meaning to the player because the next time this item drops, the stats on it will be wildly unpredictable and random.
Not that a comparison can be made, but D2 has an itemization system which works like a puzzle that you have to think about and plan ahead, with depth unthinkable to a D3 player. Unique items having very creative stat combinations that you can memorize makes it possible to actually think about the game and play it in your head even when you are not actually sitting at your computer. This is something that doesn’t exist in D3.
Character customization doesn’t exist in D3. Each max level character has the exact same stats and abilities as the next. You can just swap them around at whim. Once you level a class to maximum level, you have no reason to ever level another character of the same class - and that’s probably for the best, considering what a mind numbing chore leveling in D3 is. In comparison - planning, leveling and gearing a new character in D2 is what the WHOLE game is about. THAT is the end-game of D2: putting your knowledge to the test by inventing new PvE and PvP builds and seeing if you can make them viable. Getting to level 60+ can be done in a single day in D2 if you know what you are doing, so you can even avoid this time sink. And you can have many characters that are highly specialized for specific farming zones or PvP matchups. D3 characters can’t specialize in anything at all, since there is but a single thing to do in the game - more damage, and also because the whole “customization” thing is yet another blatant lie and illusion.
Finally, the fact that Diablo 3 is considered a Diablo game is the most brilliant of all illusions, considering that the only thing about it “Diablo” is the name itself*. A dead giveaway should be things like non-existence of auto-attack (basic weapon attack), non-existence of armour and weapon types, non-existence of resource management, zero distinction between elemental types other than cosmetic… and the list goes on.
So the real answer to the OP is: if you are excited about trying a “thinking man’s” RPG game that is actually punishing and thusly rewarding, however lacking in certain QoL features - D2R might get you hooked as it did hook thousands of players who still play it two decades later. With 20k+ concurrent players, I wouldn’t be surprised if D2 is actually more active than D3. It’s hard to tell since they stripped D3 of any requirement for player interaction so you might as well be playing alone anyway.
However if you are not excited about thinking too much in your videogames and just want to mash buttons and see colourful spell effects - then D2 has nothing to offer you. That’s just the plain truth. The sad part is that at face value D3 looks like it shares similarities with previous entries, but when you try to scratch under the surface you quickly realize that there’s nothing to scratch…
P.S.* About D3 having “Diablo” in the title: I really wish they called it something else so these kinds of discussions wouldn’t have to be held on a Diablo forum. The saddest and most sickening part of it is that not even Diablo 4 or 5 or 6 will ever be able to return the franchise’s reputation to it’s former glory since D3 has brought an influx of people who literally hate everything that makes a Diablo game what it is. This cancerous element being recognized now as part of the Diablo community means that we will never have an actual Diablo game again if they have anything to say about it (and boy do they always have something to say about it)… Makes me sick to my stomach what Blizzard dared do to my favourite game. But there is no turning back now - we can only accept this reality.
Thanks for the info. I’m flying through T5 with one of my barbs. I’ve not figured out crafting yet nor the cube. I’ve been collecting the 5 chests and throwing then on the ground and collecting keys along with them. Do you suggest stop hunting for the chests and just get the keys?
I’ve never played season, so I don’t understand them, they don’t sound anything like D2 ladder. I’ve gained 30 paragon since the last time we spoke, starting to figure out how to accelerate the exp bar. I’m on GR 27, I’m doing them as much as possible as I want to get a gem to lvl 25 so I won’t get stuck in traps. I also don’t take any damage it seems when I’m whirlwinding. Once that gem is buffed and I find a way to greatly increase my damage I feel I’ll be able to do much higher torrents and fly through the GRs. I need to work more with Rend, learn how to use it. Up to now I’ve been using Bash with success, but it’s no longer cutting it. I’ll start learning how to use Rend and where it’s best applied.
Actually, once you get to 90ish, depending on the build, You’re not needing the extra skill points, you’re just optimistic about the +5 to vitality. That said, to do it legit, it is a great accomplishment and a great psychological boost. There is only one reason to criticize a legit 99er, and it’s not very healthy for the mind.
Bowazons are dead in PvM, even with a perfect Faith.
I’m not blaming him, Bowazons can be fun, but they are not a viable endgame build. No one has ever ssf 99ed on diabloiinet a v1.14d bow/jav hybrid. Lightening can be made to solo clear the entire game with ease in an 8 player game. Bowazons are weaker than IK barbs, which are super fast at solo clearing the game in 3 player, including Ubers and DClone. Though time consuming and too expensive to the reward, an IK barb (consider noob gear) can solo clear hell cows in an 8 player game. It just takes a half hour. lol
Wrath of the Wastes appears to be the goal for now. At plvl 35, the leveling feels as fast as the leveling in the 30s in D2 on /p1. With more damage, I should be able to accelerate my leveling speed significantly.
That’s not a thing with bow/java. It’s a noob build used by players that don’t know how to build godly zon with 100k+ damage. The fact that you use the word “rich” is further proof you’re just a noob meandering through the game, which I respect. It’s how I started, too.
He barely survives, his damage is pathetic (highest is less than 2500), his gear choice is terrible and his skill selection is terrible. He’d never survive /p3. Nor would he have gotten to where he is if he played hardcore. Again, yes it’s fun, but the fun is noob fun and nothing more do to the builds huge limitations.
Hell is not a joke on /p8. The joke is you think it’s a good build. It’s a garbage build that he barely survives with, kills very slowly ON /P1, and he even has elite gear.
Do it.
I’m working toward it. You’re the only one flapping their gums while using other people’s videos.
You’re so full of it. Come on, I can clear Chaos in less than 5 minutes and it only takes 10 minutes to up load a 5 minute vid. How long will it take you to clear Chaos on /p8? A week? Pathetic. Cut back a half hour of your forum time and hit record. Put your money where your mouth is.
Of course there are. Though legits are few and far between, they exist. The best place to observe them and talk to them are on youtube.
A dagger zeolot, awesome vid. What he is doing with a dagger you likely couldn’t do with a hammerdin. lol
Btw, what he did fully geared on softcore, in the time he did it, with the best dagger in the game, I did in about the same amount of time naked, with the best maul in the game and no CB. Great video none the less.
Your whole spam the potion thing is stupid. My D3 barbarian never needs a potion while whirlwinding. Same thing different game. All spamming potion means is your build has little leach. Again if I stand in a circle of exploding corpses and my health drops 5%, I’m instantly healed, no potion necessary. It’s the same thing as spamming pots in D2. Your argument is moot.
Two others filled me in on this thread, but you won’t. That just tells me you suck at the game, like you do in D2. Pathetic. Btw, I learning how to use Rend. Apparently you just stand in one spot and swing. Sound familiar?
It’s a lot of text, but if you skim through it and skip to the parts you want to know, this explains everything about D3 seasons better than I could possibly do.
One thing to be aware is that absolutely nothing in terms of D2 knowledge applies to D3, not even the way progression, character builds, etc, works. D3 builds are “hardcoded” by blizzard into the gear, so first I would recommend you to get a set (such as Wrath of the Wastes) and see what the set bonuses are
2-piece bonus
Increase the damage per second of Rend by 500% and its duration to 15 seconds.
4-piece bonus
During Whirlwind and for 3 seconds after, you gain 50% damage reduction and your applied Rends deal triple damage.
6-piece bonus
Whirlwind gains the effect of the Dust Devils rune and all Whirlwind and Rend damage is increased by 10,000%.
If you read this, I think you’ll have a pretty solid idea on the lack of player choice when it comes to creating builds, you pretty much have to use whirlwind and rend with this particular set, as well as support skills that work well with those two skills, and find legendaries with bonuses that further enhance this particular build such as the Lamentation Belt and Ambo’s Pride as a cube weapon.
I’m also reading about Rend being a damage modifier for whirlwind. I assumed I’d be using both skills separately. I’m glad to see I don’t have to use the actual skill, as I don’t like it.
The one thing I have brought to D3 from D2 is my whirlwind and juking style. So far it’s been effective, though comparatively, I think my D3 barb is only in the mid 30s of D2. :
Guess u didnt play d3. Just a d2 fanboy, no need to be angry though.
D3 is a Diablo game, blizzard decide what a Diablo game is and it got things in common with the other games.
