Where are the DH players?

[KillerProc-1122]

That’s as good as segue into my idea about the hatred dump thing I posted earlier. I mentioned this in the thread suggesting my idea about the new set…

But I thought that the hatred dump idea would fit right in with a set with a Angel of Hope theme.

I mean, the new sets have had angelic themes and if you dump all your hatred (and possibly discipline too) then you might be left with something resembling hope or faith.

I hadn’t thought of that when I made the proposal but it did come to me a day or two later.

It was a cool thought so I thought I’d share it again.

[dmkt-1267]

That is a cool concept, how long would that buff last again?

[KillerProc-1122]

Well, I would figure, since it would it require you to use the blood vengeance passive for the bonus to Hatred, even if you don’t use Seethe, the health globe generated by the destruction of mobs would pretty much fill your hatred, so getting spike traps and caltrops out again would come pretty quickly but even at that, the damage resistance could last maybe 5 or 10 seconds after your spike traps were set off.

I don’t really know though. If FoK got every rune, you’d also have Bladed Armor for a bit which would help.

[Kintaro-1830]

Dh sets
Shadow: funny, needs more damage to be a rgk
Nat: funny, needs help with the stacks for keep the bonus to be a trash killer
Marauder: funny, needs a loot of help
UE: extremely funny, maybe the bonus can be apply in more skills like chakram and elemental arrow
LoD: More power for fan of knives and maybe spikes or caltrops
Zdh support: maybe a way to pull or regen hp of team, support builds is the best way for low level people to join in teams, make at least 1 build for every class

Rebuilt passives like
Steady aim
Night stalker
Brooding
Perfectionist
Sharpshooter
Singleout

Maybe a when you pick a globe you obtain +xxx% of damage or cd

Sorry bad english

[Drakiock-1135]

If Blizzard reads this thread how about fixing the shadow DH acquiring a decent holy point shot that always has some increased impale damage with the 2.6.8 patch release? Too late for the ptr. Also consider some other simple enhancements that could help DH be more competitive. Thanks in advance.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

I like my DH community friends and family <3. Can’t give up because of you.

You said it well:

@KillerProc-1122

Maybe, and I’m not saying you guys are wrong for doing it, but maybe some of us Demonhunters are too passive and feel trying to tell the devs what the class needs in this much detail would be telling them how to do their jobs.

@Rage Barb player

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I will throw a joke here. Are you actually saying that you failed? Crusaders did not ask for anything and ended up stronger than Barbs

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

Free you would say same thing even if Barb was doing 150s solo in non season.

@Free-1746

Absolutely. Which is why I do not support a Crusader nerf.

@KillerProc-1122

I know the Barb players don’t intend to sound this way, but many of these complaints sound to me like they won’t be satisfied until all four spots in the 4-man meta are filled with Barbs.

@Phoenix-1330

That wasn’t a shot at DH’s who are fighting for buffs.

No that was shot at DH’s who are fighting for BALANCE. I don’t expect from you, Free, Meteorblade and other main Barb players on this topic to not be biased when it come to Barbs performance.

@Phoenix-1330

DH is one of my favourites, and I’d get behind the cause for getting them buffed as well.

You did WAY more on defending Barb than you did on asking for DH buffs. You wanted your main to be OP and DH was not important for you.

You never asked for any nerfs… You never asked for any balance. I did not see you propose anything for DH and I don’t expect you to do so as main Barb player. All I saw is you attacking people who are asking for balance.

I for example was asking for balance. That means Buffs and Nerfs. You are offended by existence of players who ask for balance.

When Lamentation was 200%:

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

We pushed hard for balance. That means buff Barb but not as much as on PTR. That is fair.

What you ask for is 3xbarb + 1 more meta. I can’t agree with that even if that +1 is DH.

You should ask Blizzard why they have zdps classes in d3. I don’t agree with that and I have been always asking for 4xdps meta.

When I was speaking about how DH’s absence from META groups is hurting the class it was viewed as attack on Barbs… Even if discussion was on general forum about general topic. Whole topic was infested with so many Barb main players.

Can you please stop helping DH community the way you did so far???
If you really wanted DH to do better (and I know that you really don’t care that much) YOU failed as much as anyone else here.

You are calling out other people to do something that YOU never did. You did not help DH community at all.

@Phoenix-1330

I keep checking those forums to see all his posts calling for buffs for the weaker classes. Zip, nada, zilch, nothing.

I did more for your Barb main than you did for DH.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I will REPEAT again that I think Barbs should get more damage options.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see some buffs and variation for Barb solo play. But in this game party play is way more important than solo play.

When barbs got what they asked for on PTR:

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I see that most of you guys are happy with the changes even before testing them on PTR. That’s a good sing. Good luck.

When Lamentation was temporarily nerfed to 0%.

Streamer: "Small Nerf"

1.17^7= 3 so it is clear that it is 7GR if you look at damage only 0% compared to 200%. Because I dont play Barb I did not know that legendary power “Rend can now stack up to 2 times on an enemy” was on the old version of belt. 7 GR lvl nerf is definitely too much it is better to keep it like this than do 7 LVL GR nerf. I would prefer middle but that is other topic. Now I think it must be unintended bug with Diablo 3 build for consoles at Blizzcon.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

Lamentation nerf to 0% is too much in my optinion.

I asked for FAIR. I guess that was the problem.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

Really no need to write about what I asked for DH class. Spike trap? People who really care about DH and participated in DH sub forum know what I asked for.

It is enough to link this:

@jay-1401

So ask for DH buffs. Real simple.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

So they can implement them in 6 months?

I called it… I knew we are going to be last.

[KillerProc-1122]

Another part of the idea about the Fan of Knives/Spike Trap/Caltrops set was to give us an item, possibly Archfiend Arrows, with the affix, “Spike Traps gains the Scatter Rune”.

Getting three spike out at the same time, if the bonus to defense from having them out is say 15% per trap would be a 45% damage resistance as soon as the traps were deployed and with Bladed Armor still active it would be a 62% damage resistance. And with enough cooldown reduction you would have all the traps out possibly before Bladed Armor expired.

Like I said, I’m not a math wizard, so all these figures could be wrong. But I think we’d be able to survive the seconds until we got all five (I’d like it more if it six) spike traps deployed but I could be completely and totally wrong about that.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

After many proposals where made for Spike Trap:

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I kind of want them to go for Spike Trap build but that idea is also scaring me at a same time. If they try something with Spike Trap and don’t get any good results fast, like many times in past, there is a chanse we don’t get anything for next patch. In that case they should go for Chakram, Elemental Arrow or Strafe.

Since Spike Trap was never a thing for a usable build there is very high probability of supposed build not getting anywhere.

I am also scared that Spike Trap would be something too complicated to execute, not for all players

[KillerProc-1122]

I’m thinking it wouldn’t be anymore complicated than S2/M2 FoK build we had a few years ago, especially if FoK is part of the set.

That build was basically tied to Sharpshooter for the 100% Crit Chance, which meant other than when you were fighting the RG, you wouldn’t be attacking with anything. You’d instead be gathering mobs to kill all at the same time on the Lightning cycle of CoE with Fan of Knives. When it came to the RG, then you’d use bola to build Bane of the Stricken stacks and then kill her with a single Fan of Knives as well. In addition, it would also use the same defensive tactics that LoD Rapid Fire uses. Instead of vaulting out of danger you would use Smoke Screen and Shadow Power to evade damage and/or quickly get from pack to pack.

I’m pretty confident that if a player can play LoD Rapid Fire, they’d be able to play this set.

Could be wrong about that though.

[Phoenix-1330]

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

You did WAY more on defending Barb than you did on asking for DH buffs.

I defended Barbs against one particular person who had a very clear agenda, despite what he liked to say. If you disagree with the way I went about that, that’s ok. I don’t think less of those who disagree with me. Can you say the same?

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

You wanted your main to be OP and DH was not important for you

There’s a few large assumptions in that one sentence. Don’t do that.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I did not see you propose anything for DH and I don’t expect you to do so as main Barb player. All I saw is you attacking people who are asking for balance.

You’re right here about the proposal, but then I also didn’t propose anything for Barbs. But I did lend a voice of support to those Barbs who did make the proposals.

I would absolutely do the same for DH’s. (Or any other class that so needed).

Again, I took issue with one person who wasn’t calling for balance, he maintained a sustained campaign that was a clear agenda to do nothing but get Barbs nerfed.

When Lamentation got dropped to 0%, he basically disappeared from the forums. When it went back to 150% his campaign started again. Despite continued calls for him to help weaker classes, he did nothing of the sort.

Now he’s been publicly slapped down by a blue, he’s gone from 50 posts a day to basically having disappeared again. And still not a single post in support of weaker classes.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I did more for your Barb main than you did for DH.

Show me the posts calling for DH buffs, I will absolutely support it.

Show me the posts calling for DH nerfs, I will absolutely tell them they’re wrong. Same as I did for Barbs.

Look, I don’t want to argue with you. I want your game to be better and fun as well. I want you to have a group spot, if you want one. I want you to be able to push high GRs solo, if you want to.

I’m not a theory crafter, I don’t know if it’s legendary changes, or set changes that need to be made to make DH’s better. There are people with much more DH knowledge than me that would be better off making a proposal.

Show me that proposal, and I will absolutely stand with DH’s and fight to make the game better for them.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

@Phoenix-1330

Show me the posts calling for DH buffs, I will absolutely support it.

No one stopped you from visiting DH forums… but yet you posted more on Barb forums.

And I understand you. There are only few of us stubborn enough to no quit on class that is performing like crap for too long now.

I am still really pissed at Blizzard. I asked for permanent ban cause I don’t see point of posting anything on forums anymore. If you get neglected and ignored for so long… you start to question yourself are you an idiot if you don’t give up.

[Phoenix-1330]

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

but yet you posted more on Barb forums

And also on the general forums, because those were the boards where most of the Barb debates were happening.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

There are only few of us stubborn enough to no quit on class that is performing like crap for too long now

I applaud you for your dedication to the one class. I’ve seen people call you nuts and take shots at you for limiting yourself to one class. I have no issue with it, you like what you like, and you want it to be better.

Fly your flag.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

I am still really pissed at Blizzard. I asked for permanent ban cause I don’t see point of posting anything on forums anymore. If you get neglected and ignored for so long… you start to question yourself are you an idiot if you don’t give up

Hey I get it. Barbs were the neglected whipping boys for so long, I think that what caused so much of the rage when they finally got buffed, only to have it taken away again.

I’m not joking, I want you to have fun in the game you play.

I hope you don’t get banned, and you get to see the day those buffs come in for DH’s.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

@Phoenix-1330

I hope you don’t get banned

I asked for it… they failed with that also.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

On positive note: last to get patch stays in meta longest?

[Phoenix-1330]

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

asked for it… they failed with that also

Lol yay for positive steps

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

last to get patch stays in meta longest

I’ve not played group meta’s, mostly as my play time is so sporadic.

I am told that zBarb is very boring to play though.

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

@Phoenix-1330

I am told that zBarb is very boring to play though.

No. zBarb is arguably the most important person in party. You need to know so much. Really challenging to play. It is actually the only challenging build to play in 4 mans. There is always place for good zBarb in any 4 man group. If you have good Wiz and zBarb rest is really easy to find.

[Phoenix-1330]

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

You need to know so much. Really challenging to play. It is actually the only challenging build to play in 4 mans

Sounds interesting, I did look into it once, but yeah, lack of group availability made it not worth pursuing.

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

If you have good Wiz

Is that the Bazooka wiz that needs macros to be played well?

[Pe3eWe3e-21492]

@Phoenix-1330

Is that the Bazooka wiz that needs macros to be played well?

Yes. It is really hard to play without macros… the hardest. That is why almost everyone is using macro/scripts. With macro it is really easy. no brainer… you are just moving around… and whole skill rotation is performed by script. You stay at spot prepared by Barb, where zMonk is healing you… and point with mouse where you want damage to be done.

One with the best gear and biggest paragon gets the party. Skill does not matter so much. Most decisions are made by zBarb.

[Phoenix-1330]

@Pe3eWe3e-21492

With macro it is really easy. no brainer… you are just moving around… and whole skill rotation is performed by script

Ok, that sounds really boring