Nore is the city of Hamburg!
This sums up the whole p2w dilemma.
The whole model is based on here the game is free⌠Players try it and is âluredâ into the ok: Iâll buy that since I got to play for free.
Some might set a roof, others wonât.
Anyway like others have said, we bought titles to play and enjoy. Which we have and continue to do, that is what we have won and still do.
Itâs the âdisposable razorâ marketing scheme for video games. I doubt theyâll go back.
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Ahh, so the reason I donât play P2W games can be explained by me having a beard.
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Yes when someone asks you: âWhy arenât you playing this free game?â you just tell them: âI have a beard.â
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If you have to tell them you have a beardâŚthen you really donât have a beard yetâŚ
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Does anyone here can see, that I have a beard or not? And that answer to that question, dose not exclude the existence of the beard. Because the question is not haveing a beard or not. Itâs why donât you play this game? And you can answer: well as you can see I have a beard. The answer is so unexpected that it will render anyone speachless, so you donât have to explain your self further.
Contradicting your own words. One instance you are saying time and investment = skill, another instance you saying itâs not when paragon takes time to farm and efficient paragon farming certainly is more skill required than you think it is. Even botting. Botting and efficient botting is NOT the same.
Thereâs no such thing as p2w, it depends on angle of point of view. Some people are rich in time and some are richer in money. Hence, you select what is a more efficient model of gaming. Some chooses to invest time, for some, time is a luxury they donât have. Skill have nothing to do with time or money investment. Its an execution of your knowledge of a game and demonstration your control of a character.
Since you are so proud of your so called skill. What is the progression of a dark hellion? How many mobs can eskandial summon? How many elites naturally spawn on field of misery GR map excluding pylon spawns? I am not so sure you knows these, but the many so called p2w players do.
Gaming and efficient gaming is not the same, you can either spend money or time to reach a certain level efficiency. Of course end of day, itâs just a preference. Gaming companies are businesses, maximum profit generation is their job. Games today is garbage if itâs not worth your spending.
Time is a scarce resource and money is renewable. If money buys time, why not?
Now thatâs not true at all. Sure, everyone have different starting skill, but regardless of your innate talent at any given thing, you will be quickly surpassed if you donât spend time improving and honing you skills.
Point is, time is a vital part of getting good/great at something.
the purpose of these games is to complete the storyline. adventure mode has a few extras, but thats it. you arent supposed to mindlessly grind in this game.
Itâs literally a loot finding game. Grinding is the sole purpose for it to exist.
âwinâ is a poor word choice in a way. People play for fun, but nobody is playing âfor funâ happy to just roam around and suck. Youâre smart enough that you know this. You know exactly what p2w means 
To be fair. The definition of Win can change depending on the perspective. For my first time throughâŚ
Win will be defined as enjoying the storyline and gameplay to the point that I have finished it and feel that sense of achievement. At which point Win will then change to enjoying whatever Endgame content may consist of.
The only real concern for me at this point is the ability to reach that first Win condition without being forced to pay for it.
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i had fun for a decade of D3 and that is all that matters.
no matter how hard you try to sell me on pay2win and try to get me to play D:I, I REFUSE. Not out of spite or any silly strawman you want to whine about. I refuse because pay2win games suck. They arent fun, and thereâs literally no point in playing them unless you like throwing money in the dumpster. Also, mobile games suck. Theyâre built on a restricted platform. They turn out bad.
Stop trying to car salesman me on your fail terrible pay2win games okay. Despicable attempt at a troll thread. You are the biggest troll this forum has ever seen.
Itâs hard to like P2W games because they push monetization so hard on you. Itâs just a way to try and milk your wallet. They intentionally reduce resource collection rate to nudge you towards paying for more.
Maybe DI is different. I doubt it, but weâll see.
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First you pay then they win. Itâs not you who is winning. By they i mean the shareholders.
In D3 itâs leaderboards
In Lost Ark itâs item level which also restricts access to the top content
In D:I itâs in character power and I assume leaderboards. Of the three games Iâve listed this one is the biggest offender.
If you donât care about that stuff then great. but stop trying to invalidate other peoples opinions on these things.
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You have set for yourself what pay to win means for you and those that would agree with you. For others it is only one of those conditions. For still others combinations of those things. For still others similar to me it is only for items that you cannot earn. That is their own personal interpretation of pay to win.
That is why some in Lost Ark donât agree that buying 1302 gear is pay to win. All because you have to still play the game doing other necessary things before that gear will get you further into the endgame. I still canât find out if Lost Ark gear has a level requirement to be able to use that 1302 gear. Because if it doesnât then buying it is a huge advantage at level 1. Plus imo it wouldnât make any sense for there to be no level requirement for gear in Lost Ark.
Donât be too sure, while those that pay will go through things faster. But if they donât add to it by learning how to play efficiently. Then in time I will be ahead of them by learning those things from playing the game. Also by buying advancement that could make a god mode for you will not help you at all in the long run.
I have seen others play older computer games that had cheat codes that could be enabled. I seen them with a fully leveled character and maxâd gear playing the story with ease. Then I seen those same ones try it without the cheats thinking that the cheats would teach them how to play. They got their butts handed to them by the game because they didnât learn what they wouldâve learnt if they never used them.
Everyone is not at a mad rush to get to endgame and do everything in the game as fast as the flash. I am a player that likes to take my time enjoying slaughtering monsters listening to the story, at least, the first time through. This way I will always have things to do. More so when the game keeps adding more content.
Also I wonât be buying anything at all, that is unless I figure thee game is for me and I want to buy some cosmetic items or account services. That is only if and when I want to, it will not be dictated by the game.
Not quite, having very powerful gear that one shots monsters which is almost like god mode. Isnât the same as destroying monsters with skill. Early face roll can later turn to disappointment if they try to do it without paying on a free account. If they never developed the skill then they will be the ones lagging behind the free to play players even though they swiped.
Power never equals skill, sure with enough power you can overcome skill. But put both players at the same rating and you will see what happens in PvP.
Oh and you get this skill in a blink of an eye. Why then canât I do higher than a GR123 in the EU in season 26 with my marauder DH build? I say it is because I still havenât learnt proper positioning of myself and sentries. Also I havenât learnt what enemies need to be skipped.
How did these ones that know these things pay to learn them. The information is out there free for all to learn. You just have to know where to look.
So to you and others the intent is always the same for all that pay. Hmm, what about those that pay for the purpose of catching up with their friends that have been playing longer than them but didnât pay. They donât care if they went ahead of those that joined the same day they did.
Agreed it is the personal interpretation of the person. If there was a law passed by the US government that made pay to win illegal you can bet the document would be as thick as a huge phone book. Because defining pay to win would take a lot of pages to cover every aspect that the new law covers. But since it is not those three words can mean anything to anyone.
No genre of games can be all identical. I am sure there are many pay to win games that are the worse of the genre. Where they would earn the title worse pay to win game of the year, decade, and some all history.
What he is saying is that you havenât really won anything in the game if D3 was pay to win and you did all of those things by paying.
When I make my mind up that I wonât pay. I can actually sit down and play Immortal to see if it can be played for free. How far will I go, will I at least be able to listen to all of the story entirely solo. How high will my standard battle pass rank be? This and many more questions will be answered only by me playing the game.
But if I am forced by the game to do teaming when I donât want to. To join a war band or clan when I donât want to. PvP or anything else, in a way that shows that I donât have a choice of what to do in the game. Then I leave, because my choice no longer matters. I would be more on the rails than D3.
From my experience of playing Lost Ark, you can only wear equipment that is 15 ilvl higher than your current ilvl. So even if you were to buy that 1302 gear, you would need to be close to that high to wear it. Itâs possible there is some special shortcut to getting straight up there, but I myself am not in the know of it.
For Lost Ark the P2W comes in the ability to buy the necessary materials to upgrade your gear quickly and without the considerable failure rate that non pay has to deal with. As your gear goes higher the chance to fail an upgrade gets worse by 10 percent per upgrade. Without buying the mats which guarantee success, you end up burning through tons of upgrade materials without any gain.
Aside from that, you simply cannot enter some content if your ilvl is not high enough. There are set tiers of gear you must reach to enter the next stage of the game and the grind gets very heavy as you approach each tier gate.