the game is more important than any individual though Jazz…
said no lifer isn’t contributing to society though is he/she?
Yes, that is critical. I am actually enjoying s32 - have been playing a lot of UE MS with the Windforce ethereal and farming visions. I don’t know what’s happened, but the past 3 days it has been raining primals, I’ve seen nothing like it. I had 1100 primordial ashes.
That’s what I was doing when I looked at the PC LBs. On consoles, paragon levels are hidden on the LBs. Stupid design, not sure what Blizzard was thinking.
You are so wrong.
For people with no job 12h a day is no problem.
I work full-time so about 10h of my day is taken for commute and work. And I can play 2h with no problem.
So there is the 12h per day if I didn’t have to work.
Just curious - is this comment based on solo or SSF? I could understand solo abusing the 4 man group play, but SSF? Would 12 hours/day, 7 days/week for 2-3 weeks be enough play time (assuming efficient GRs) to get p5000 (and with of course, a suitable build strong enough to clear solo GR145s in ~5 mins per run)?
Sorry if you have wrong info about humans, but many humans can eat, sleep, shop, do sports (and some even work 5d/week) in average 16 hours per day. The remaining average 8h is more than enough to get 5k in about 4 weeks we were talking about. I have friends who play 8h+ at least 90% of days every year, many days even more. And in case you want to make same request for linking them as last time: they are actually my friends, not going to link them for you to insult - you need to settle for just insulting me.
Proof for the calculation of ~5k para / ~8 hours a day: There were several cheaters with more than 3x the exp needed for 5k with playtime of 23h, the worst I could find almost 4x.
Busting 10 or 12 hours a day efficiently will still not get 5k paragon this early in a season.
Its not about who is wrong or right, you need to accept the fact that the account is a bot.
Not likely a bot, or a dedicated pro.
Look at how many seasons the player has been active and grinding similar gonz.
Have you ever hit 5k in a season?
I have a few times and let me tell you it is a ton of mindless grinding.
SSF mode is even more extreme and tougher to pull off. I would say impossible in SSF this early.
Great math except this has never happened.
Don’t forget to calculate farming mats, downtime, leveling from 1-70. There are way to many variables to factor. A well geared and experienced 150 group blasting will hit 5k in a season easily, but the question was how fast, and in SSF mode the game changes.
On paper, many things seem possible but in actually your scenario is impossible and especially for a few weeks into a new season. Those blasting groups usually have cheaters as well that get banned so not sure we can count those groups anyways.
You don’t need 10-12 hours a day to get 5k in a month.
3 minute 140s, pooled for 5 hours a day in 4 man gets you there. And yes, players were running speed 140s 2nd or 3rd day of the season. Running GRs over 140 gets you there even faster, which players are doing consistently in the first week of the season.
And when was the last time you did? If it was before s28, then yes, it would be incredibly difficult. Since Altar (S28), (don’t count S29), paragon is super, duper easy to get, even start of the season. “Back in my day” mentality doesn’t apply to the current state of the game.
That may be true, yet doesn’t apply to SSF whatsoever. Since SSF went live, many people including myself swapped over to it because the bots stick out even more there, and cheaters cant utilize groups.
Dude, now it really just sounds like you’re whining that there are better and more committed players than you.
Every SSF leaderboard is full of sub-10 minute 150’s, and some are sub 5 minutes, at those rates its 161 hours and we’re what, 800 plus into the season?
In the current state of the game it is clearly possible to be at 5000 paragon already, SSF legit, just maybe not for you?
I’m not saying that botting still isn’t rampant, and a fair percentage of the LB is still made up of botters and T-hudders, but you can no longer automatically assume high paragon this quickly equals cheating. Which is great, right? Legit players can be, and are, at the top of the leaderboards!
…they could reach Paragon 5000 in 21.43 days. If you change that to GR140s, it comes down to 13.16 days. If you change that to GR150s, it comes down to 8.08 days.
Heck, I can run GR130s solo in under 5 minutes on my seasonal Necro at around 1100 para. Her gear isn’t all augmented. Heck, not all of it is even ancient. So, you put together a nicely augmented, fully ancient/primal hero, in a 4-man, playing that many hours a day, it’s absolutely possible these days.
And no one here is talking about SSFM. We are addressing this statement:
and this one:
Where it has already been shown multiple times 5000 paragon a month into the season nowadays is very, very doable legit.
If you want to look at the small case scenario of SSFM, it would take 31.6 days at 9 hour 130s at a 3 minute average (7hours a day if it is 135s). Highly unlikely, but still human doable.
I guess I must not be 1 of those then. Work 8 hours, travel 2.5 hours, sleep 9 hours. Eat 1 hour. General stuff around the house 30 mins per day on average. Probably 1.5 hours mucking around on the laptop (news, forums, etc).
and SSF?
Really? That must be map dependent and most maps won’t allow that speed imho.
that would be my assessment as well.
I guess I must be unlucky. It usually takes me a near week to get all of the gear for my preferred build. That’s grinding rifts, GRs, gambling, upgrading rares, etc. Groups must have some sort of magical RNG buff LOL. Or, I’m just plain unlucky.
that’s fine, but what if my preferred build can’t hit GR140, even at p2000 and fully geared with BIS gear, and fully augmented? Currently have done a GR123 in 8 minutes with only my helm non ancient (and some really GREAT gear this season as RNG luck has been really kind to me) at p830 and no augments. Will probably hit mid 130s at p2000 and fully augmented, but only just finishing them under the timer, not 3-4 minutes.
There goes that game balancing issue that I keep on harping about.
Amen.
Nah, they’re no lifers, useless to society, don’t contribute in any way, shape or form. Why should the rest of society support them so that they can be no lifer gamers?
IMHO, paragon rewards need to be severely diluted. The paragon limited season sorted the wheat from the chaff and showed that many “great” players are in fact, ordinary and only do well because or group play and mega paragon.
Anyway, my question was answered earlier on in this thread. I can see rank 5 has done a GR126 in just under 15 minutes at p2300 and rank 4 isn’t much better. Rank 3 is a GR130 at p3500 ion 11 minutes or so. Pretty sure that I can match that.
It gives me some idea of how I compare to the PC LBs. It’s sad that I can’t see the gear used for that clear, since the Blizzard website snapshots the current gear for that character and not the gear used for the clear. But, it is what it is. I’m having a tight battle with the current #1 and actually enjoying that (he or she is fractionally ahead of me with a GR125 in 6 minutes, but they do have 6x 125 rank augments and their lgems are higher too). I don’t even have 6 petrified screams in my chest LOL - they’re certainly NOT 1 in 10 GRs drop rate, at least, not from my personal experiences since their introduction.
Small correction - (Almost) every SSF board has sub-10 min 150’s on it. And the best builds (Wiz), which are under 5 mins, are where the best players are pushing/playing the most, and gaining the most paragon.
That’s just the game, though, fishing for good maps and mobs, right? But just the fact that 150’s can even be done in that time, after four weeks, is nuts. Even sub 5 min solos is kinda crazy, that the pinnacle of the game is now just farming territory.
Like I said, I’m sure a pretty good percentage of the top spots on every board are still botting (same as it ever was), but can a botter even gain as much experience as a legit player with the game as it is now? Can bots speed run high GR’s or even push? - I’m just asking, I genuinely don’t know, though my understanding was you ran the bot to do the ‘chores’ , gathering mats, bounty caches, keys etc, so that the player/cheater could just focus their time on GR’s.
But season should give more eph than my nonseason play.
