no ROE needs to stay as is for now , I would say nerf the support because that is the one keeping the WD up and moving just as that was the one keeping the wiz moving, without the support the wiz and the WD can not do the gr150’s you guys are going on about!
What you call fun I call masochism. Everything you say is 100% subjective and does not weaken the legitimate questioning of the OP.
So, when you play an RPG, do you have a habit of ignoring all of your progress and items you’ve collected? This is a very strange practice to say the least. If you like to start over so much, maybe you should destroy your NS account to start over … Anyway, this discussion is irrelevant to the point in question.
Was that an attempt to “argue something”? I suggest you try again …
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. The game should be balanced around the NS, and not about Season with random and unbalanced and broken themes.
Before you cry here, I suggest you post real arguments and not just cry for something you don’t know.
bla bla my paragon 1400 multishot demon hunter is not in the top 10 you must nerf all other builds bla bla
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Before you cry here? Um… wow, reading is hard. I am not, even remotely, one of the people crying on these forums. I, for one, like the game. That’s why I still play the game. I just started with these forums because there are some things changing with D3 and news about D4. So, um, yeah, that…
If you don’t want to play seasonal, you don’t get seasonal goodies until they roll over to non-season. If you don’t play seasonal, you don’t get to enjoy the seasonal theme. If you want to stay in non-season, then go for it. Stay there and enjoy everything that non-season has to offer. If that is not good enough, then play seasonal. If that is not good enough, then either go back to non-seasonal or play another game.
Going to a forum and attacking/picking apart other people’s posts and responses isn’t going to accomplish anything. Also, before seasons? Yes it was all about non-season because that’s all there was. Just like story mode before adventure mode came along. Now it’s about adventure mode, just like it’s about… wait for it… wait for it… it’s mind altering… it’s a biggy, you better sit down for this… and… it… is… seasonal game play. Enjoy.
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How would nerfing supports nerf the obviously op solo wd build ? I am a bit lost here. 4p is strong but who cares at this point. I just don’t want solo builds to be much higher than 143ish top.
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this discussion is ridiculous and OP is a babyparagon crybaby
I’ve been 4-5k in multiple seasons, along with getting r1/r2 4p. I doubt you’ve been anywhere near that. But I digress, the main topic of this discussion is of the absurd power of WD in 4p - not to degrade others for their opinions.
Fortunately, we can agree, as the same goes for you.
If you think that arguing is the same as “attacking”, I think social coexistence is a problem just for you.
Also, you were the only one with an unpleasant post here, it was completely unnecessary.
how is the WD solo op, I have not seen anyone get over a gr144 on the solo LB for the WD. so where is this OP WD?
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And that is where the problem is at 4-man groups not the WD, so why nerf the WD, I get the feeling you are mad because the wiz got nerfed into the ground so now you are looking for someone else to take it out on!
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Now, 143 with 6k paragon and 145 with 9k paragon … So, you say it’s not OP? Remember that this is in PTR, live will be even bigger …
I would like to ask you a question, and it will help me understand why some are “upset” with nerffs …
What will change for YOU if WD is nef?
I’m mad wizard got nerfed? No, I wanted wizard to be nerfed in s16, speed 150s are not fun. It should be a push tier. As for why I want WD nerfed, it’s an outlier even among other 150 capable trash killers.
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Not at all. Blizzard nerfed the wizzard because the wizzard accomplished “too easy 150” because of its “inbalanced” power. 150 should be a high challenge according to blizzard.
Now we have a nerfed bazooka and a wd that is, if the thread is correct, as strong as pre nerfed bazooka wizzard.
So now i have one question for you, a quite easy one:
If Bazooka wizzard was too strong and to easy to perform with “macro”, why the
heck is wd as strong as bazooka wizzard pre nerf and is so easy to play that he doesnt even need a macro to accomplish this overpowered status in 4 man meta.
I mean is blizzard solution to nerf Wizzard always out of existence when they introduce something new that is as strong ? I dont get blizzard balance policy. The did exactly the same with chantodo vyr wizzard. They nerfed it and introduced ww rend barb that is as strong as pre nerfed chantodo wizzard. Thats just double standard crap.
When your Boss call you and your colleague in the office and tell you.
“I have bad news for you Tom, our company have to cut all wages of all employes to 2000 dollar. So your wage will be 2000 instead of 3000 dollar next month. And now i have some Good news. Good job Johnson, your wage will be increased next month from 2000 to 3000.”
Would you consider your Boss fair and consisternce or would you think “What the hell is he doing?? Is he thinking i am st u pi d or what ?”
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first off if it gets nerfed, we as in WDs will not have the power to do anything like what the bards or crus are doing right now and we all know that the WD’s do not have the dr to live thought a rg that does not have adds, only by luck has most been able to do that we have been shown.
If and I say IF they give WDs more DR will it be find to cut the power of the build!
As is right now most and I say most will not or can not do the fishing need to get in the upper levels of grs.
the 4-man group inable the wiz and the wds to do the trash killing that guys are going on about, and if you guys are not finding it fun then why oh god why are you doing it!?
Rule of thumb of every ptr: if a build has cleared grX on the PTR, it will clear at least grX+5 on live. WD has cleared 142 on the ptr, so expect it to clear at least 147 on live if it goes untouched.
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This current build is very OP, stronger than WW, and stronger than the current crusader.
With your paragon, most builds have problems with survival.
Anyway, I doubt that even with a nerf, this set will be obsolete.
before write something like “current build is very OP”, just do it. im want to see “im cleared gr140+”, and than start talking about nerfs.
did you even try any boss fights on 147+? on 140 you need over 3.5 min for kill boss with stricken, and manitou already nerfed.
People will fish for power + saxtris if that’s the issue.
At some point you need to understand that it happened every time. I may not be the guy who actually does it, but it sure follows a trend.
People were saying barb would never do above 140 last ptr, and look at where it’s now, nerfed by 2 gr levels and cleared 146.
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Yep WD needs toned down slightly and necro needs some type of change for this season or it’s going to be speed 150s and rats again. If that’s the case, I’ll gladly pass and I’m a WD main who plays necro second most.
My buddies and I play group basically exclusively so when the hardest content for us is no longer challenging the game just isn’t enjoyable. 150 is supposed to be either unreachable, like it used to be, or a level only the most dedicated can reach.
Last season my group beat a 146 in the second week with triple support and 1 sader. At that point we quit because we knew 150 was going to be a meaningless joke.
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And here is why I keep going on about nerfing group play and not just 1 class in the group, because you are nerfing the solo player not group!
I for one will enjoy each season. When the season is over, I will play around in non-season until the next season starts. Not the same as you staying in non-season and QQing like a petulant child. =Hey you people are not play the game the way I do, waaaaa. You are not playing the game the way I want you to waaaaa= Wow, I take it that’s your daily approach to life? Don’t get what you want, you cry about it? You are part of the reason why D3 is in the sad shape that it is in, part of the toxic gaming community.
That’s all you do is argue with every post. Everyone has to see things the way you do, oh wait I am repeating myself again. Oh well, thus is life with some folk. I shall move on to bigger and better things. I wish you luck with stomping your foot and pouting your lip when things don’t go ‘your way right away’ like an old Burger King commercial.
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