Haven’t played WoW for quite a while, but I seem to recall people specifically looking for people that vastly outgear content for their runs. I also recall more than a few getting kicked for not pulling their weight in random groups.
Only time I initiate a kick is when someone is farting around in town vs. grs/rifts/bounties or in rare occasions when they are just too dang slow (in bounties) and the other 3 players have to pick up the slack. If you can’t hack it, then you need more time solo before you pub. Pub is for speed runs not pick up slack/do your part for you runs. That’s just being lazy and selfish on your part.
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If I suspect you are a bot or are behaving like a bot, then I do the same.
This stage of season, you can play 1 hr a day and hit 3k range, in some sense you are a noob. People dont know you, so your only proof of gaming experience level is past season history & time played aka paragon. Get some kind of support going, 4hrs a day or every now and then is plenty of gaming time, tbh, sub 900 paragon is… well 10 hrs worth of time every new season on day 1 if you semi know what you are doing. Some people are already 900 gons by the time others 1 - 70.
Instead of just rejoin game room or just do solo GR run, better use the time to create this thread to tell everyone how you got kicked out from the game room.
PRIORITY.
thats just insane to kick people because you think your better than them. Everyone started out the same way and guarantee that you ran bounties with others higher players. Stop acting just b/c you already got to where you want to be means that others attempting to do the same thing you just did are beneath you
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I have read most of the posts and noticed many similar and different comments.
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- I get that META groups might be why ‘some’ people might think public is not for seasoned players but really that is not a rule.
- I also understand why three people around 3K ‘might’ feel uncomfortable with someone who is 800. It’s more of a flow and I would not take it personally. They do not want to waste time and many use the philosophy of "A fast rift is a good rift". That’s all I think.
- The game in bounties in public ‘attempts’ to pair four people within a similar paragon vicinity of each other. Maybe someone should suggest to the Dev’s to do a similar thing with GR’s?
The largest and most abusive behavior I have exhibited in a GR was in HC when the power station disconnected everything and I came back and my character was dead. 
There’s basically only two enjoyable ways to run GRs.
- By yourself. You have full control.
- With friends/guildmates. People who will play with you because they enjoy playing with you and/or want to help you.
Every time I’ve tried to do public GRs, either everyone was way lower than me and wouldn’t run at levels that would benefit me, or they wanted a specific role, usually zdps, that I didn’t have a build for. No one ever communicates in the GR or is willing to follow a leader, making it far too chaotic to be fun or a worthwhile way to spend your time.
Public GRs and Brawling should be removed from the drop down.
im at 4k and i would still vk you if i want to play public grs… just dont play pubs grs or get more paragon otherwise dont come to cry here
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Just leave the game and rejoin into another, if you notice the game is not being started it’s because they are waiting on you to leave. Have some manners, there are plenty of lower para players, just rejoin into a proper group.
Right here it shows that you have no idea wtf you do.
Right Click, View Profile and I can tell what build you are using without even starting a G Rift to see…what you could do /facepalm
Well, aren’t you being selfish too by expecting people that put in a lot more time to get to 3k paragon to basically carry you in a high GR?
Go to one of the GR channels, and start your own group. Tell them exactly what you are and find players with the same level of paragon and see how high you can get.
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In this forum there are relatively often complaints of other people being selfish etc. Reason being those people don’t behave exactly like poster wants.
I get why there is bad feeling, matchmaking in pubs is quite terrible. But try to understand its terrible also for the other people, not just for you.
I’ve been playing some public grs lately, and I can confirm there are lots of low gr players. Just not in every game. It’s actually much easier to find game with low paragon non-meta players than with high paragon players who know what they are doing and fit the team.
People come to pub grs to have some fun or to get some progress. Naturally those why come only for progress, won’t play with low paragon players. I myself usually come mostly for fun, but I still have some standards for what I want to do. Running lvl 100 grs isn’t fun for me when I can run 130s without concentrating to game at all. Also running 130s with 3 people who cant contribute anything at all isn’t that fun - btw this can also include medium paragon players who decide to use low performing builds. They don’t annoy me at all, but I just don’t want to play in such a team.
But I never judge based on paragon. This season team can have 3 low paragon players and still run 150s with me. As long as those 3 players have correct builds and know how to play.
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kinda far from what I am talking about, but yeah you’re right. But the assumption of paragon points that determines a player is vastly misjudged. Can’t tell you how many times i’ve ran bounties and have a high level paragon start a rift and run it while rest of people did bounties thus him getting credit for both. I see more high level paragon players do less to nothing in bounties. But yet it’s a crime for low level paragon players to try to run a GR because “We just trying to get a free ride” hmmm?
Game is all about gear and stat checks. While you indeed can clear a very high Greater Rift despite your low paragon, the monster group you face along the floors and layout tileset must roll perfectly convenient for you everytime. This means you have to await stars to align for longer than compared to the high paragon level player.
They could’ve clear 1 GR out of 3 attempts by replacing you with some high plvl player, but when you are tagging along as a low level paragon their clear rate drops to 1 out of 8 tries. That’s just an example of how things work in this game.
Your build could be struggling when confronting Frozen Pulse Elites, while another build in your group might be very weak against leaper type monsters and other against chargers. Higher paragon allow you to withstand these obstacles and find a middle ground with the group as you face bad randomization. That is only one of the dynamics between you and the rest of group.
People have been complaining about that GR matchmaking is terrible because it has no proper rulesets, a clear etiquette or a good interface to match up with like-minded players.
Existing community expects you to fit into etiquettes; keep farming until around thousand to two thousand paragon level then hit up GRs solo non-stop to join them by the time you are around three to five thousands of paragon level. When this happens player struggles to fit in, let along read between the lines of the community like it’s some sort of guideline.
Sadly, a new system won’t be implemented most likely, you have to use Community feature like everyone else to find other players at similar tiers. Several times I pitched the idea of having a matchmaking system for GRs where system queues you depending on your highest solo clear and paragon level with some brackets for values.
However, game is not meant to be seriously competitive at the first place unlike Starcraft or Overwatch, and it’s hard for it to change drastically after a decade when D4 is at the horizon.
Of course paragon is not a good benchmark for skill, but it’s the only benchmark easily accessed, and in theory a paragon 3k+ is distinctly superior to a paragon sub 1000.
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2k+ paragon difference is 10k+ main stat difference by minimum and the effect is greater at the lower end of the paragon scale. A sub 1k paragon propably has barely above 10k main stat so additional 10k or more main stat outright doubles the damage output and greatly increases toughness.
While paragon should definitely not be used as a metric for skill and knowledge, it is an indicator of a relative capability of the player. While a sub 1k paragon player can solo speed through GR100s, being able to actually contribute to a group ~GR135s is a whole different matter.
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3 days without a break maybe. That is anything but chill. You sure as hell aren’t going to hit P1500 in 1 hour of play per day in 3 days…
Your whole reply smells elitist. Stop being so arrogant and think that the only way to play this game is fast.
I hate to say it, but the average Diablo 3 player does NOT get much past 1000 Paragon in a season, if that much. Most of the players in Diablo 3 are actually casual. So get over yourself.
As for the OP. Complaining about getting kicked from high Paragon groups is equally bad. Find groups with your approximate level instead. That’s the best option you have. Otherwise don’t complain when they leave your group or vote kick you out.
Game on.
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Public game etiquette has been the same for years & years.
Public grifts are a free for all. If you are a big fish its your job to either leave the game if everyone is super low or help them. The only reason to kick people is if they aren’t participating. Example some dude wants to do bounties or vaults in your GR game. The only okay non grift activity if if they are looking for xp pools.
More experienced players wanting to do meta runs need to join the seasonal grift channel, play with clan mates, friends, whatever.
The public class channels are great for finding specific players. A lot of folks pop in the barbarian channel looking for zbarbs, demonhunter for impale dps or zdps, monk for trash clearer, whatever. These are underutilized resources.
In conclusion you cant go into someone’s natural habitat & dictate how they play. Its their house, not yours.
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TBH paragon level tells me a lot about a player’s capabilities. I’ve never played with a bad 5k paragon player, you know what I mean?
On the other hand, there is plenty of low paragon (below 1k) players with bad builds or severely misguided in their gameplay.
I’ve literally never joined a bounty game and somebody does a rift while everyone else does bounties - we kick that person, or I leave.
You are still missing the point about low paragon players in GRs as well. You are just getting a free ride if the other players are significantly higher paragon than you. Look into support builds because that is your ticket to higher GRs with the dudes. An alternative is to use the chats to find people running GRs at your level.
That’s not me or my thought process. I don’t like lazy people. If you want to drag your feet, do it elsewhere. No one is stopping you. Ever had a job where you had to do your work and someone else’s because they were lazy? Did I get a portion of their paycheck? Nope. They got the same paycheck if they worked or if they were a lazy bum.
If that makes you think that those people are beneath me or lesser than me, then so be it. Makes me think you are one of them. Tired of you people. Lazy bums.
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I also hate people and when people go out of their way to waste others’ time. Time is what matters in games like these. Not everyone has 24 hours to play a video game.