Primals dont drop anymore, active Altar

[Meteorblade-2266]

@BigRed-12557

You should get 1 maybe every 400 drops

The 1 in 400 value is called the Expected Value, as described by the Law of Large Numbers, and is the long-term average of huge numbers of results.

@BigRed-12557

But wait with the Altar it should be more like 16 to 18 primals

The Altar doubles the reward when a win occurs .
The Altar does not change how frequently a win occurs.

The expected value of 1 in 400 does, indeed, suggest that the average expected wins from 3600 attempts should be 9 wins. The Altar changing the prize from 1 primal each win to 2 primals each win does not alter how often the wins occur.

@BigRed-12557

Every time I talk about drop rates this guy always throws up his Stats that I really don’t care or believe in.

The stats describe how the game actually works.
The game doesn’t care whether you believe it works some other way.

[yessquire-1869]

Yes, they drop. I got one not long ago with a Barb on T13.

[Guido-1402]

Its okay let everyone say their peace, i know for a damn fact that my play has lost drop rates significantly and I know Blizz will never admit it, i’ve lost set drops and my RNG is not unlucky, i’m 100% sure they screwed wth the drop rates to get players to stop playing D3 so they can decommission servers or funds for D3. I will be a die hard D3 player till it fades just like the game Sacred 1 and 2. BITE ME BLIZZ!! hehe and for those about creating new players, i have created 10 new and still not even close to what i was getting before D4 official launch.

[mickeyknox-21261]

@BigRed-12557

You should get 1 maybe every 400 drops.

No, it does not work like that. It would work like that, if there was some kind of “rng grace” introduced. Let me give you an example.
World of Tanks introduced loot boxes (for real money, that is) some time ago. When you open such a box, you get a random amount of in-game currency, maybe some decals, some in-game consumables etc. Besides that, each box gives you a chance to get a special (premium) tank or it’s equivalent in gold (another in-game currency). Now, there’s a guarantee, that when you open 49 loot boxes in a row and do not get a premium tank, the 50th box will contain such a tank (or its equivalent in gold). You may also be lucky to get more than one premium tank within those 50 boxes, but you are guaranteed to get at least one.

There’s no such thing regarding primals in Diablo.

[BigRed-12557]

@mickeyknox-21261

Let me give you an example.

Here is another person trying to tell me how things work in the game. Did I say you were going to get one every 400 drop. NO!!! I said you should “maybe” get one every 400 drops. I only going by the trolls on here telling me all the time the drop rate is 400.

Do you understand I always try to make fun of their stupid drop rate they go by!!! I have played in games where I got 2 and 30 sec later get another 2. I have had it where I did a GR got 2 and 5 GR’s later get another 2 It happens all the time like that. As I always say Primals drop when they drop.

The is no guaranty you will get anything in the game. All the game is luck of the draw!!!

[VitaKaninen-1422]

Maybe this will cheer you up:

[BigRed-12557]

@VitaKaninen-1422

Maybe this will cheer you up:

Thanks, Been here from day one. Have 4 accounts in the family. 2 are mine, one is my GF, and other is my grand daughter’s. All 4 accounts have done the altar & season journey,

But some of the trolls here. They think they are the ones that know everything about the game. When it comes to you knowing anything about the game by them you don’t.

Plus there 3 people here I block.

[Jazz-2357]

@BigRed-12557

Plus there 3 people here I block.

I’m on his block list. Which is great because trying to argue sensibly with Davey/BigRed is futile.

The phrase “they drop when they drop” makes no sense. Because naturally they do drop when they drop but the reason why they drop is that there is an algorithm behind the drop. There are algorithms and math behind everything that happens in the game. Therefore it’s also possible to make statistics and averages on lots of the stuff that happens in the game.

Sometimes bugs and glitches do seem to happen, sometimes only affecting some players. But there doesn’t seem to be a bug concerning primal drops as far as I’m aware of.

[VitaKaninen-1422]

@Jazz-2357

I’m on his block list.

I don’t really understand the mindset behind blocking people. Are they so fragile that they need to protect themselves from an opinion that they might not agree with?

No one agrees 100% with any other person about everything, and that is a good thing. That is how we learn from each other, and it is ok to not agree. But I don’t understand wanting to silence another person’s voice unless they are being hostile or rude, or something.

If they silence everyone they disagree with, then they will never have a chance to change their mind when they are, in fact wrong about something. Yes, there is a possibility that they might be wrong.

[Jazz-2357]

It’s even called “ignore” and not “block” as far as I can see It can make sense to put obvious trollers, haters, troublemakers etc. on the list. Problem is that you’ll see them when they are quoted by others. I sometimes mute a whole thread if it’s too “stupid” and annoying to look at.
I have criticised (maybe even attacked) BigRed and Davey but only in threads where he have ranted and raged about speed racers and leaderboard kings and other things. But I have also commended him for helping newbies in the game.

[BigRed-12557]

@VitaKaninen-1422

I don’t really understand the mindset behind blocking people.

Understand what is going on here. Every time I would post something no matter what I put up they attack me. There was some body one time said don’t let them get under your skin.

Well they don’t any more do they. I have been doing forums over 25 yrs. This is the first time in 25 yrs I have ever block any body.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@BigRed-12557

the trolls on here telling me all the time the drop rate is 400

There are websites where they gather the data on millions of set / legendary drops each day, and publish the percentages of legendary, ancient and primals. That agrees with the stated average drop rate of 1 in 400.

@BigRed-12557

I have played in games where I got 2 and 30 sec later get another 2

So, two drop successes (this season gives 2 primals per success rather than 1) from 2 GRs would be 2 from 24 drops.

• Number of events = 24
• Probability of success per event = 0.25%
• Number of successes = 2
• Probability of 2 successes = 0.16326%

https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/binomial-distribution?c=GBP&v=type:0,n:24,probability:0.25!perc,r:2

This would happen 1-2 times out of every 1000.

@BigRed-12557

The is no guaranty you will get anything in the game

No-one said there is. They’re saying what the drop chance is, not that you’re guaranteed 1 primal from every 400 drops.

@BigRed-12557

As I always say Primals drop when they drop.

Well…

• Toss a coin. You’ll get a head when you get a head.
• Toss a die. You’ll get a six when you get a six.
• Pick a random card from a new deck. You’ll get a heart when you get a heart.
• Pick a random card from a new deck. You’ll get the King of Hearts when you get the King of Hearts.

The point is, in these examples, you’ll get a winning condition when you get one, but the odds determine how often that will happen, on average, over lots of attempts, i.e.

• Heads = 1 in 2
• Six = 1 in 6
• Heart = 1 in 13
• King of Hearts = 1 in 52

They’re still random events but if you had to bet on an outcome, would you rather put your money on a coin toss, or pulling out the King of Hearts?

@BigRed-12557

When it comes to you knowing anything about the game by them you don’t.

You’ve said yourself you don’t care about the statistics which govern how drops actually work, i.e. not only do you not know, you’re actively going out of your way to refuse to know, by blocking the people that would happily tell you.

@BigRed-12557

Plus there 3 people here I block.

Not listening to the right answer doesn’t stop it being the right answer.

@BigRed-12557

Every time I would post something no matter what I put up they attack me.

You post stuff like “they drop when they drop” so naturally other people respond with how drop chances actually work in the game. If you see facts that counteract your narrative as an attack, that’s a you problem, not a facts problem.

@BigRed-12557

This is the first time in 25 yrs I have ever block any body.

No-one’s ever told you that you were wrong before in a quarter of a century?
Damn, I know I’ve gotten stuff wrong plenty of times in that timeframe.

[VitaKaninen-1422]

Better watch out, you are about to get blocked!

This guy doesn’t mess around when people start dropping statistics, and facts, and such.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@VitaKaninen-1422

Better watch out, you are about to get blocked!

I’m one of the three already.

[Jazz-2357]

Sorry for nitpicking and prolonging the thread. But I don’t see the function “block” anywhere in the user settings. There is “ignore” and “mute” but no “block” (as far as I can see - so correct me if I’m wrong). Is BigRed wrong… or is he smarter than me?

[VitaKaninen-1422]

@Jazz-2357

There is “ignore” and “mute” but no “block”

That is probably what he is talking about. Same effect, in that he will not see your replies.

[VitaKaninen-1422]

@Meteorblade-2266

I’m one of the three already.

So if you already know that, then who was that lengthy post written to? It sounded like you were responding directly to him.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@VitaKaninen-1422

who was that lengthy post written to?

As per my earlier comment…

@Meteorblade-2266

At this point, I’m responding to show others how it works

And…

@VitaKaninen-1422

It sounded like you were responding directly to him.

I was merely using him to demonstrate to others why what he says is wrong.
I know he won’t read it but others that care about how things actually work might.

[mickeyknox-21261]

@Meteorblade-2266

I know he won’t read it

At least he won’t admit he does.