I needs a full season to see it’s real power using players that started from scratch. I think it will be nerfed either before or after sadly, but hopefully they won;t take out the mechanics like they did with todo’s.
I also did a basic gold run with it and it responded how the original wastes build did when T6 was the highest level. It was great.
If they do I hope they temper any reductions with wisdom.
Does it really bother ppl that a barb can do more dmg now. The complaint that rend does all the dmg now. If your not ww rend wouldn’t do all that dmg. You have to ww for rend to work. It says durning ww. Then don’t use ww at all then. It’s not like this is a pvp thing where we would die instantly. I don’t think anyone said a word about the wiz being buffed and pushing greater. So y the barb. Even when boomer was top no one said to nerf it. But what do I know.
Also. You don’t have to use any of the new support for rend. Just don’t use it if that would make you feel better
So when will us normal casual player w/o a perfect group and 10k paragon being able to clear 150? Is 150 the end game of diablo3 or what?
Please buff barb, crusader, any class to be able to clear 150 solo. Yes, perfect gear is fine, yes, fishing is fine, just buff all of the classes to 150 able level.
Put your ego, jealousy aside for a better diablo please?
So far, the only argument I’ve seen in favor of nerfing Barbs has to do with “balance,” but that’s a term that seems to have no single definition. Should every class be capable of clearing the same GR tiers? That’s impossible since the mechanical interactions of skills and items differ wildly from class to class.
Could not balance also mean letting a class that has, historically, gotten the shaft (Barbs) have a chance to be really, really powerful? I argue it very well could.
Anyway, Barbs shouldn’t be nerfed, and I’m happy to see you on the forums.
The guy with 10500 paragon and skill to be number one on the PTR leaderboards with 5 out of the 7 classes? Why would we balance around the 1% of the 1% again? There are always going to be extreme outliers in skill/paragon like him.
The question is, where will 90% of the players be able to clear? 144? I don’t think so. Someone lower-mid skill with 1500 paragon will be lucky to pop a 110.
It needs nerfed…it replaces Vyr’s Chantodo’s as the “easy” option to clear GR100’s and get gem ups and Paragon…like Vyr’s, which got nerfed, everyone will roll a barb just for these reasons in S19.
Is that balance? No…sure have other classes do similar clears but there is in’t…this barb is easy to gear for and decimates high GR’s just like Vyr’s Chantodo’s.
Thats a good point and thats why there will never be a balance because of paragon.
Letting paragon 10k compete with 3-4k. Any other competive type of sport,weight lifting., Drag racing almost everything has a class thats close to equal.
You’re very biased though. Since you’re a main barb and all.
I personally don’t really care what happens to barb, I don’t play barb and don’t like playing barb (except sup barb). I did do a 133 on the ptr with it though. In 20 keys max. It was my highest solo gr clear ever - despite, as I said, not being a barb player. Which is why I’m saying it should be nerfed a bit.
Another thing is, imo, when one build of a class completely outclasses any other build of the same class, it leads to unenjoyable gameplay for the players.
“Hey, what’s the best wiz build” “chantodo wizard.” “what about-” “don’t think about it, chantodo wizard is stronger” “but I like tal meteor better” “well sucks to be you”. Could do the same with condemn crusader a few patches ago. And with a lot of builds/class at many points in d3 history.
The only reason people want WW to stay as is is “oh yeah now barb can do high solo gr nice”. Even if barb is nerfed, it doesn’t matter. You just get your gems playing 150s in groups, and since it’s the highest gr/gem level you can do/get, you’ll have the exact same experience as a wizard doing solo, or a monk, or a crusader. Maybe 2 rifts below or above. But at least, if WW is nerfed, maybe you can get top page with HotA raekor, or with IK HotA, or with WW/rend, or whatever else you want. If it is not nerfed, you will have to play WW/rend.
So how d u guarantee that? Titannova P6000 spent 200 keys and fails to reach 130.
Why a nerf is before buff? How about we first buff HotA to wiz level then consider nerfing rend? Does any of the trolls mention HotA ? SS? Some of them simply want barb weak. If some day HotA is at same level as wiz bazooka, they will post something like Nerf HotA it is much stronger than blablabla.
I played WW Barb for years.
after awhile I found, though fun, it just didn’t have the sand to get it done.
I played WW Barb for this Season 19 PTR and though much better, still could more help.
Don’t Nerf for goodness sake. Add more if anything.
My Shadow DH more powerful without all the wear and dear on my hand.
Guarantee what ? That the other builds can get to front page as well ? Buff them ? They are still underpowered (well, maybe not raekor hota). They do need some love. I’m not saying they shouldn’t buff the other builds, I’m saying all the builds should do at best 135-140. This is what I’m hoping for, for all the builds, of all the classes. Including monks (hello, maybe we get some love some day as well ?), crusaders, wizards (chantodo got nerfed and imo it’s a good thing), necro (thorns nerfed, let’s see how the other builds are doing), and everything else.
Right now, clearly, WW/Rend does more than 140. So it should at least be nerfed to 140-ish. In my opinion.
If a lvl6k player spent 200 keys to clear a 130 as WW/rend, he clearly didn’t know what he was doing. I am 6900, and cleared 133 in 13 minutes. No wood, no battlefield, nope. I got a bastion, a zoltun kull ruin and something like a temple (A2 vidian map).