Now they are being sued by California

Skipping the current season for now (and, of course, the off-season too). So far so good. Since D3 is the only game from Actilizzard I have, that pretty much covers it.

Won’t mean or change anything on the large scale, of course. Actually, people quitting D3 are making the company a favour: less strain on their servers, so their cloud bill will go down. Still, I prefer it this way.

My, my. Will you look at that. And suddenly the internet exploded.

Last time I posted my view that Blizzard was an evil and corrupt company, I got a forum ban for “trolling”. Of course I wasn’t surprised in the least. All it did was prove my point.

Now that everything is layed open they can no longer sweep it under the rug. The voice of truth will no longer be silenced.

But seriously. I have no idea how anyone can act surprised at that point. The writing has been on the wall for over a decade. Blizzard’s top (and only) priority is money, and nothing else matters to them. Good riddance.

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i am tho :open_mouth:

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They might stop the abuse of employees but they’re not going anywhere. Money is any companies top priority. Ideally anything else they do furthers that goal or at least doesn’t conflict with it. Unless they want some competitor or legal eagle to eat their lunch.

No, sir/madam!

Is is your burden to show a quote from Sowell’s books because you made the claim that Sowell says these things. You must either back your claim with a quote to concede the argument and apologize for slandering an honest man (in addition to being caught in an attempt to misled and audience here).

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Milton Friedman is an excellent choice but an upper tier material.

The beauty of Sowell is that he uses plain English, in a manner accessible to a large audience, without losing accuracy. Think of it as a 101 course. People who can’t understand Sowell will have a hopeless uphill battle trying to comprehend Friedman.

Free Marx can’t be more wrong than he is because he makes critical errors in his foundational assumptions and as a result each and every conclusion he makes is not supported.

Some of his major errors are:

  1. failure to recognize that human capital/expertise is also a form of capital and is owned and supplied primarily by the workers. Also, the primary means of production are the people, not the factories and the machines. What separates us from the caveman is the human capital.

  2. claiming over and over that labor is interchangeable, as if fungible. The more you move away from common occupations the less true this become until you reach the areas where single individuals are the lone experts in their field and their labor cannot be replaced. This is especially true in technology, science/invention, art, and literature.

  3. not recognizing that you can be simultaneously a worker and a capitalist (and this is a substantial portion of the population)

  4. talking about exploitation in the hopes that nobody will see where there is a beneficial exchange.

  5. entirely ignoring the concept of risk and risk taking and, as a result, the price on taking risk off others’ shoulders.

  6. failure to expand on the fact that “corrections to capitalism” depend on the absence of conflict of interest. Communism is the ideal system for the nuclear family but fails apart after adding more and more people. Ironically, many who preach Socialism or Communism are against family. You can’t submit to one person but want to submit to a government run by strangers. :laughing:

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Yet for some reason 35 million Americans live in poverty and face hunger every day. Quality and healthy foods are not cheap.

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That’s questionable. :rofl:

Eh, agriculture is not exactly a very free market anywhere.
Governments very much tell farmers what to do.
Just look at the recent trade war between US and China, and the ensuring handouts to farmers. And the subsidies received in general.

Which is a big part of what we have learned about capitalism over the centuries. The concept has some deep, inherent flaws that needs to be taken care of, otherwise the system implodes upon itself. The government interference that libertarians tend to dislike, is the very thing that keeps capitalism alive.
And sure, capitalism very much should be kept alive, it seems we can agree on at least one thing in this regard, capitalism has been a, if not the, driving force for good in the world over the last centuries. Even with its many flaws.

Not going to provide a link, since some people would just flag me, but look for:

Thomas Sowell: Systemic Racism “Has No Meaning”

Most of these are differences that comes from our modern world, and not the world in which he wrote.
Capitalism/society changed. Probably in no small part due to the criticism of its glaring issues.
Does he draw a bunch wrong conclusions? Yeah, very much so.

Anyway, this whole economics side-thing doesn’t have much to do with the topic. It was only really introduced because some people seemed to argue that capitalism offers protection against the stuff Blizzard has been sued for. But neither Friedman, Sowell, Marx or anyone else is going to offer much help there. It is much more basic human nature than that.

Blizzard has been accused. It seems Blizzard has now also admitted to at least part of the claimed wrongdoings, which is an important first step. Only time will tell if anything changes at Blizzard (hard to believe it will), and whether the lawsuit goes anywhere.
Until then, all everyone can do is to bring attention to the issues. They dont go away just because people forget to talk about it in a week.

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You do you, just don’t expect everyone to repeat themselves for you

The TLDR is that some of us (like me) already stopped consuming Blizzard products a while ago so this actually doesn’t even count as a boycott, and others want to continue supporting the game for the sake of the employees that didn’t do anything wrong.

I don’t think you and your people, who are genuinely having a good time with this game, should suffer because of some jerks in suits. Blizzard is still full of amazing people who had nothing to do with this scandal, as others mentioned. If you’re having the time of your life with Classic TBC, go for it man.

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No, you can’t evade. Page number will suffice. Or you can concede and apologise.

What? :rofl:
Beefhammer was, unsurprisingly, correct.

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There’s a thing called google or duckduckgo I believe. What do you wanna search on?

Or you could just ignore my post if you are not feeling generous to tell me and let others who are willing to do so.

Your view of game designers is out of date by 20 or 30 years. All types of people make games, not just “nerds.”

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And Marx never understood that merchants solve the logistical problems of distributing goods to the people who want them - which adds value to the market. Industrialists organize the labor and increase efficiency - which also adds value to the market. Without industrialists, there’d be no shipping industry, no railroad, no steel industry, no factories, etc. Marx never understood that these people add enormous value to the economy, which is why they are able to make money.

I’ll go farther than that. There are a ton of misconceptions here that never get taught by the modern socialist. First, the US is not a free market, despite the rhetoric. It is a thoroughly corrupted crony capitalist economy. Objectively, Scandanavian countries have far freer economies. Second, the proper role of government is to referee a free market with aggressive and fair enforcement of a minimum necessary set of rules. We don’t have that in the US. We have an overbearing set of rules which are selectively enforced. We have regulatory capture of the regulatory bodies in just about every industry. We have companies that spend millions lobbying Congress to make laws and regulations in their own interests - which is how we get the overbearing set of rules that are selectively enforced. Our healthcare system is effectively socialized. People don’t understand how any of this works, so they argue past each other without recognizing the core problem: that the corporations do almost as much of the refereeing of the economy as the government does. And socialism doesn’t fix that problem. It makes it worse by concentrating even more power in the hands of the corrupt government bureaucrats.

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Imagine thinking the US medical system is socialized when big pharma needlessly bloats the costs of meds because of slight changes in packaging, insurance companies wantonly pick and choose who to cover while asking for obscene monthly amounts (haha vision and dental on top), people go into massive debt as a result of needed treatments, many resort to crowdfunding just to get their foot in the door for a procedure, and ER bills are astronomical (Ambulance rides alone costing over $1000). Bluntly, the only good thing we have going for us is if you walk into a hospital on death’s door, they can’t reject you. If you’re lucky, maybe collections will chop off some of the bill.

Capitalistic middle-men are the cause of the above. Doctors pull their hair out because they have to play ball with hospital politics and prioritize selectively preferred treatments over what the patient needs. Just walking in the door overweight will have concerns ignored because “losing a few pounds” becomes insurance-mandated diagnosis. Supporting staff is being overworked and underpaid because those self-same vampires are hoarding resources for just existing. Nevermind the current niche circumstances of the pandemic and the burdens brought on by our anti-mask/vaccination zealots. If some of you redpillers really want to talk about people suffering, then spend some time actually trying to solve the problems here instead of just guffawing that it’s how the world works.

Don’t @ me on this. I’ve lived it. Family and friends have lived it. I express the care and concern I do because this “business as usual” crap has led to a lot of suffering and I’d prefer putting empathy to action over apathy and negligence. The US is rotting on so many levels, but stocks booming is hardly indicative of how the average person is doing and never has been.

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Yet they are not starving and the claim they are in poverty is specious. We raise the “poverty level” every few years so the government can pretend it’s anything like it used to be. I can panhandle more than the actual worldwide standard for poverty, $1.90 a day, in less than an hour. You want to see poverty and starvation go to a country with a Marxist economy. It’s rampant. Right now South Africa is fast becoming the next Marxist hell.

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It sure isn’t a command economy here. This is the standard absurd argument both sides use if something isn’t unrealistically free of regulation it’s not free at all. Ditto the idea that if capitalism isn’t perfect it’s a failure. I despise utopian Capitalists as much as Marx despised utopian Socialists. Capitalism is subject to abuse. It’s one of the reasons we need government.

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There are specific metrics used like cost of living, CPI, and such that go into raising the poverty level. Let’s not act as if it’s some grand conspiracy by the government. And yes not all 35M aren’t at starvation levels, but you know there is a percentage that is. Regardless, no one in this country should ever have to go hungry because a choice was made to pay rent over getting food that week or any other scenario that takes place where people go hungry.

You know damned well this is a conversation about what goes in in America. The world standard means jack crap when we have people unable to afford basic necessities.