In 20 years, Diablo 4 will be gone, Diablo 2 will still be playable

It’s an interesting perspective. Unless some life extension technologies were to be introduced during our lifetime, the sad eventuality is, that we’ll get old and die.

But is that really a good argument against preservation of games?

Just one relatively recent example. I loved playing Marvel Heroes. I paid money for stuff in that game such as stash tabs.
The service was shut down. I no longer get to play somehting, that I paid for.

So, considering that D4 seems like a nice game so far (better than D3 anyways), and it’s yet again an olways online game as a service, some people like the OP here are briging up the issue in advance, that the game might shut down prematurely.

To better understand what people are talking about, you might wanna watch this vodeo:
“Games as a service” is fraud
xxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

And the nonsensical justifications about “piracy” and “combating cheating” are just that – nonsense.
Recent studies have shown, that piracy no longer has the impact it one might have had.
Also, in D3 there was plenty of cheating and it wasn’t handled adequately.

Remember the oppen letter to the D3 devs from community members and content creators, complaining about the ongoing rampant cheating in D3 and that Blizzard aren’t doing anyuthing about it? Because I do:

But you still claim people that pirate are doing nothing illegal even though the video that you wanted me to watch says the exact oppisite

So if you just take a $60 game and not pay for it because you can’t afford it is still a loss of $60 to the company and you should sell something or go out and get a job so you have the $60 to pay for it

Why what difference does that make, why pay for it when I can get it for free and spend that $60 elsewhere, if it is alright for poor people to pirate then it is alright for everyone to pirate

You say that and then in the next breath

So obviously you support piracy because if you can’t afford it or it is terrible in your opinion it is ok to pirate
so the laws apparently don’t apply to you because even though piracy isn’t legal it is still ok to do it anyway

And what exactly is the morality in being a common thief, with your Oh I can’t afford it so I’ll just take it even though the right thing to do is to save the money and buy it

No need to go to that, you have the music already and you can pirate the video of the concert in a couple of days so you see it for free

Illegal is Illegal there is no middle ground
If there is nuance why is it that a person that gets done for speeding for speeding to the hospital to save someones life is still done for speeding and the reasons for it doesn’t matter
It’s not like emergency vehicles are allowed to speed and run red lights without having their lights and sirens blaring

Not what I said. Read it again.

If we’re gonna speak about legality, underage work is illegal in many parts of the world. And in the specific scenario I mentioned, if the kid were to make $60 bucks, it would most likely give it to his parents.

For the special features. That’s what Blizzard games have been all about. Battle net. Yes, you can pirate a Blizzard game and without access to battle net it’s not the same. And there will be a really good and relevant example further down the post.

The same way someone can listen or download a song on the internet for free without buying the album, but if he likes the singer and has the money, he’ll go to a concert.

Only when someone really can’t afford something, in which case the company wouldn’t be losing income;
and sometimes, when retarded products or business practices should not be supported.

It’s not, that I believe I should be exempt from the law. It’s that I would listen to my own moral compass first, which is based on actual objective understanding of the matter, rather than laws, that are not always adequate or just. Again, slavery used to be legal.

Take suggests theft. Again, when piracy occures, the original is not removed.
I don’t steal. But if I were to choose between what you call “morality of a common thief” and your ignorance, I would chose to be a “thief”.

Let me ask you a question. Would you argue, that people, who played Vanilla WoW on private servers were pirates and Blizzard were losing income, even though Blizzard themselves were refusing to provide the specific service those people wanted?
I am asking this question, beucase, your glairing ignorance really reminds me of the infamous “you think you do, but you don’t”.

I would say, that those “pirates” weren’t pirates at all, as they would not spend money on the retail version, because they wanted Classic, and Blizzard were’t losing income, but I’m sure you would claim the opposite is the case.

And guess what’s happening nowadays. Blizzard did finally release Classic and wouldn’t you know it – the biggest quarterly increase to subscription plans, both in the West and the East (quoting directly from the Activision Blizzard third-quarter financial results for this year).

Oh, those evil pirates. Why pay money, when they could have had it for free?
Because they want the official thing. Because they wanna play over Battle Net. Because if you give them what they want and they can afford it – they’ll buy it.

Honestly, when writing to you and reading what you have to say, I can’t even figure out what kind of a person I’m talking to. When you repeat the mantra of “one illegal download = one lost sale” or “piracy is theft”, It reallt makes me wanna call you a boomer.
On the other hand, your complete inability to understand nuances makes me think you’re a little kid.

You spoke about how piracy damages businesses, but the truth is – you don’t understand the current times, the trends and you don’t have the mind for business. You think you do, but you don’t.

Very good question. Because many systems nowadays are retarded and archaic.
IMO, it should really come down to whether or not he did cause harm while speeding. If not, then he should not get done for speeding.
But what do I know, I’m just a thief (depsite not actually stealing anything), right?

But since you yourself seem to know so much about laws, tell me. Why do laws differenciate between premeditated crimes and spontaneous ones? Or don’t they? After all, there is no such thing as nuance, right?

I also wonder, are adblockers theft by your estimation?

Yeah!!

It’s like Witcher 1 2 3 doesn’t exist right??
Oh my God!!! What is the The Elder Scroll series again?

Games are intellectual property and intellectual property can be stolen.

Theft by conversion occurs when a person obtains possession to the personal property or funds of another, and then converts the property to their own use and without the person’s permission

Are we clear now? Piracy is theft and it’s bad.

Stolen goods This term means property stolen anywhere, as long as the theft amounted to an offence where committed. It includes any proceeds of that property, including money for which it has been sold, and anything bought with those proceeds,

When you play a pirated game you are in posession of stolen goods.

What isn’t true is the claim a script kiddie playing a five year old game long consigned to the bargain bin costs a gaming company $60. First because he probably would have never bought it and second because it’s not worth $60. Same for used games. As usual in any legal issue, in the fight against piracy both sides are lying.

Good grief this forum software sucks.

Just like old people now still read the newspaper, i use the newspaper to start my wood stove thats about it. In 60 years i will still own a pc i dont care what the world does and ill still fire up some d2 from time to time.

And i own diablo 1 and 2 on disk. I know crazy right, you cant take my diablo away from me.

The whole “piracy isn’t stealing” argument is pretty lame. It is an argument over definition of a word. In the same way that manslaughter is not pre-meditated murder but it’s still killing someone.

Piracy is not theft - by definition only. It’s copyright infringement, but it’s still using something without permission and falls under the same category as theft.

Actually, the comparison I used with manslaughter, the difference between that and murder is intention. However with theft or piracy, there is no difference of intention. Whether you stole something, or pirated something, you still intended to do so.

It is an artistic work. If you use it without permission, that’s wrong, and should stay that way.

You didn’t pay for it, therefore you don’t have permission to use it.

2 Likes

Unfortunately everyone has their own opinion and although you might not like D2 after 1000th time playing other have played it 10 times that amount as still find it to be just as fun when they first started playing. Same goes of D3. Not trying to invalidate your statement but it isn’t constructive criticism. Constructive feedback from the community will hopefully provide the Devs to create a game that we will all enjoy after our 1000th playthrough.

You have a right to your opinion.
Most people don’t agree with your sentiment that Diablo 2 ‘gets boring’ at 1k.
Diablo 2 gets boring temporarily, and remains the goat bc of genius design.

Honestly, Diablo 2 is totally cool and should be remastered, obvi with a QoL patch, such as a bigger stash as one example.

Games that are online only, are games you do not really own. You just pay to borrow it for a while, until their service is over in one way or another.

I like GOG. They have some old games, but so far I have only gotten DRM free offline single player games, which I do enjoy.

Offline in Diablo IV would be most welcome. Then I could play it when internet dies again and again.

‘‘Virtual machines’’.

Why you said it is ok to pirate, so now you are OK with illegal activity and even condoning it with your if you don’t have the money it is fine to pirate

So kids don’t get pocket money for doing chores around the house, or if they are well behaved get it that way

And he can also wait for the video and watch that so he doesn’t have to pay for it

So still supporting illegal activity, still don’t get it do you, if you can’t afford it you go without, because in the end you are still taking something that you haven’t paid for and while if only 1 person does it it is still a loss of $60 because he has the game and hasn’t been paid for, And if a million people do it that’s a loss of $60 million dollars that could of been funnelled into the game but no it’s more important to pirate the game and you are dumb enough to come on here and say it is ok to pirate software,

You don’t have a moral compass, most people would say I can’t pay for it I can’t have it, you on the other hand say I can’t afford it so I will break the law and take it anyway

You claim you haven’t taken anything and yet you ended up with a copy of the game through making a copy of it
And if you practice what you preach with your go look at this video with me which I actually looed at and I showed you and said go look up the meaning of Computer piracy and you can’t even do that. And we all know why, because making a copy of a computer program and taking that is still considered stealing
And you call me ignorant

And just to make your day reported you for condoning piracy and encouraging people to break the law with your if you can’t afford it it is ok to pirate it

Joust…used to love that game :grinning:

Piracy in the grand scheme of things to big developers might not be an issue, but its serious for smaller developers. Big developers can take the hit, but smaller developers lose out on inportant revenue to cover developmemt cost that mostly comes out of pocket.

I do not think I have seen more soothsayers and clairvoyants anywhere than on this forum.

If people can make a lot of money streaming to people who are too lazy to learn the game for themselves, I am sure the seers on this site can do something similar.

As you all were. (Sarcasm…who? me?)

Your replies are pathetic. You don’t argue in good faith.
I don’t ecourage people to break the law, I’m not doing it myself also.

the tl;dr version of my thesis is yet again the following:

Always online is not due to “piracy” or “combating cheating”. A good proof and example is the state of D3 Reaper of Souls.
Piracy has minimum or no effect on the industry, actual scientific studies have shown that. And when the result didn’t match the predetermined conclusion (which was probably someone pushing for legislation), someone attempted to bury the results, but they came out anyways.

In reality, they chose always online due to how lucrative the Game as a Service model is nowadays, that’s all.

I don’t preach anything. I share my views as an alternative perspective, which is way more grounded in reality, that you chanting mantras from 20 years ago.

I tried to explain to you the nuance of piracy and how one illegal download is not always equal to one lost sale. You refused to wrap your head around it and got triggered for some reason.

And finally, the only people complaining about piracy are losers. People, who don’t know how to entice people to buy their product.
Blizzard have that one figured out. They have battle net and all of it’s features. Musicians make concerts and make money from that, even if no one purchases a single song on a disk.
Tickets to good movies sell well. If someone complains, that nobody bought their DVD, usually that corelates to the movie being terrible and no one showing to watch it at movie theaters either.

I don’t hear Blizzard complaining about piracy, because they are not losers. Why are you complaining about it? Did you make some crap, which didn’t sell, and now you’re bitter?

Because you are. Very much so. Completely disregarding any and all information, that contradicts you.

Answer me: were people who played WoW on private servers pirates when Blizzard were refusing to provide the service?
If your logic was true, that people would always pirate when they can get something for free, how come they are now on Clasisc and not on private servers?
How come this financial quarter report showed the biggest quarterly increase in the history of the franchise?

ROFL. I await my “ban”, which I highly doubt will occur, as I said nothing wrong.
Whether or not I approve of something is irrelevant, because I’m not an infuencial person. Regardless of how I feel about something, that somehting exists regardless of my views about it.
Just, because I understand the matter better more objectively than you do, doesn’t mean that I take part.
Just because you tried to several times to put words in my mouth, doesn’t mean that people can’t read what I actually said.

I honestly can’t wait for the day the D3 servers are shut down permanently… kill it with fire.

The thing is, I highly doubt Blizzard will kill one of it’s games and leave the others.
So, if the D3 servers were to be shut down permanently, that would most likely mean, that Blizzard themselves are shutting down.
So if you enjoy at least one of their other online only games, I wouldn’t be hoping for that.

Can you give me an example of a small developer failing due to piracy after releasing a good game? I’m not saying it’s impossible, it’s a legitimate question.

I’d say the much more likely scenario is, that the smaller developer produced a crappy game and that’s why it failed.