I see it a different way. There’s no reason why trading couldn’t flourish and be a great feature of an ARPG. There’s a big focus on special loot in EVE online. All of the same kind of content you see in a Diablo game. In fact the tiers of items in EVE online go way higher than in Diablo and the most expensive items also go higher.
However if restrictive trade comes in , instead of OPEN TRADE, will you buy the game ?
He is always buying the game, he’s a troll, don’t forget that. He’ll find other ways to troll others - play HC and bring undergeared allies to world Boss for example. Trolls always find ways thus they always buy D4.
As I have said already, it depends on how restrictive. There needs to be meaningful end game trading. If that is achievable while restricting end game items, I doubt it. But Blizzard probably realise this. I doubt they’d be so clueless as to have trading that meant nothing at end game.
Trading isn’t something you just casually do while you level up and then forget about at end game. It’s something that really takes off AT end game. Game director said trading would give people content long after they finish the game. That implies it will be useful at endgame. But can’t see how if all the good end stuff can’t be traded.
They said trading is a much requested feature.
Remember how popular dota was in warcraft 3… remember how blizzard missed the boat on that one. Remember how dota2 and lol became the largest gaming crazes before fortnite (Which lets be real, MOBA’s spawned battle royale style games.) It’s the player interaction that is at the heart of these games popularity. What was at the heart of d2’s popularity? Trading and PVP which both fed off and synergized each other. Having a reason to interact with other players is what gave blizzard it’s god-given status today. Blizzard would not be the same company without battle.net.
Blizzard don’t ignore the signs from the community, make trading and PVP integral parts of the game.
And as people are saying, ‘Don’t make it required for content or progression.’ Yet, trading and PVP are essentially the end-game of d2… lol.
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I think you hit the nail on the head.
Blizzard needs to realise that trading and pvp is what makes these games. It’s what makes EVE online. It’s what made Diablo 2. The rest of the design is important to get right too, of course. But these features make up the core of player interaction that is at the heart of good online games.
If you are going that far by using a message board, might as well just have an in game AH.
Never traded nor participated in PvP. That is not what made any of these games for me and what I suspect is the silent majority of players.
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It sounds like you prefer single player games.
Here’s hoping there are people who won’t be buying D4 if trading is brought back. Just to balance you out.
D3’s RMAH, even without any RM, just pure gold, still drove people to flip the AH for items for profit more than farming monsters in-game for loot.
I’ve always wondered why they removed the RMAH altogether, and did not change it to in-game gold only.
Just kidding, I know exactly why.
An entirely open market is a delicate thing. Poor itemization will cause the “farm gold only to trade” becoming the best progression route. Good Itemization will cause low power players to buy items from high power players and skip half of the damn game - you can justify it all you want saying crap like “it’s your choice”. Guess what, people do that, a lot of them, and how much they spend (legitimately through bnet currency or illegally via market sites) will upset you eventually. One day it will open up discussions of D4 being a “pay to skip”, “pay to win” game blah blah but that’s subject for another time.
You mention EVE’s system in comparison. How long have you been playing EVE if I may ask? Myself, about 6 years. Say I dump about $2000.00 right now on plex and get isk I will effectively skip about 2 years of playing on the wealth side of things judging by what I currently own.
Just gotta ask yourself where you sit on that matter, where money absolutely is power - In the game economy context only. Maybe only 0.01% of EVE players can make a living from just playing the game, but then again, it’d be a gaming lifestyle they’d rather exchange for a better paying real life job 
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As I type this I just saw replies above me mentioning D2 again. Hopelessly and tragically nostalgic. You are over exaggerating way too much on what made D2 great. Way, too, much. Bottom line: You do not need trading for a Diablo game to work.
Power to you if there is open trading in D4. Otherwise, early goodbye, I welcome less and less mentions of “X did this better, imo”.
I prefer ARPGs. single player or otherwise. Good thing the DIablo series never required you to play with other to progress.
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So I was right, you like single player.
I don’t like single player games. I’m a gamer who plays only multiplayer games and i’ve been that way since the dawn of the internet when I was just 13 or 14 years old. Once going online multiplayer I never went back.
That explains why you are not interested in pvp or trading yet I find them core parts of a good game.
You say your type is the silent majority. You have no evidence of this and I disagree. Diablo 3 failed to captivate people. No wonder, because it had no pvp and it’s trading and item system was garbage.
As I have stated before I loved D2 and found D3 much more enjoyable. The games I play most BTW are MMOs, MOBAs, and team Arena shooters. All MP games. ARPGs I started with D1 and preferred the solitude in the game. I just prefer my ARPGs to be solo play experiences.
I certainly prefer singleplayer games (or once in awhile small group co-op). They tend to be of much higher quality.
A-RPG has typically been both, which they should continue to be.
I’m fine with PvP existing, as long as it does not affect PvE balancing. Trading, well, I am theoretically fine with it existing, if it did not affect non-trading, but that is just too unlikely.
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Well you haven’t argued against my points so i’ll assume you realise there’s something to it:
- Blizzard are bringing back trading because it’s a much requested feature.
- They said trading will add content to give people things to do long after they complete the game.
- It makes sense that Blizzard realise trading must be viable end game activity, else why even bother having it? They wouldn’t win people over if it was shallow or near useless at end game.
But, they talk of top tier items not being tradable. So I’m not sure how this all fits together. How do you have end game trading that doesn’t allow trading of end game items? Doesn’t add up.
They should just make two modes, as said before. You can choose to be a trader or a non trader. Balance the modes as necessary, partly by giving non traders a much higher drop rate since they must find their own gear. Let them play together even.
If someone chose to enable trading, a small t will be visible in their status bar, nothing fancy - just so you know who is tradable. Give them seperate leaderboards, that can’t be a problem. This seems like the only way they’ll keep everyone happy.
This wouldn’t just solve the problem but would also provide Blizzard with valuable information about the two different options.
There is no doubt they are saying they will bring back trading because some people are asking for it.
But as you say, they are clearly also worried about the effects of trading, hence wanting to limit it.
Yeah, I’d be perfectly fine with this. I dont think it will happen, but it would be a fine solution.
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Nice cherry pick sperg… is that all you’re good for? Taking words said out of context and trolling people?
You’re a literal human p.o.s. who’s posts have zero merit or worth… you might as well be smacking your head against a wall shouting “DAAAAHH LOOOK AT MEEEE!” your opinions are all invalid non-sense… go back to your trash heap, vermin.
You’re clearly just a crazed Blizzard shill, maybe step outside every once and a while and welcome yourself to reality. You’re a complete nut job extremist. D3 is a failure, this game is garbage and real Diablo fans HATE it with a passion. We no longer want a game like Diablo III, if this game resembles anything like D3, no one is buying it… so wake up. 90% of the people who quit playing D3 initially never came back because it was garbage.
This is exactly why free trade or a less limiting trade system needs to exist in D4. Also, don’t assume too much, because chances are trading will be making a come back, and you’ll be eating those words.
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Wanna bet on this? I say open trading doesn’t come to D4. If you don’t want to bet, everyone will see you write things just to troll.
open trading with tier sites will not exist i think , BUT if you read the quote above there will be trading .
STOP WITH YOUR BETS please
good game , Diablo is a game
Bets are productive - they show who is troll and who speaks/writes what he truly believes, because when one truly believes something he should not have a fear to bet on it.
For example, the MVP faced with a bet dodged it too:
So, you see, challenge someone to a bet is a productive practice. And I do it a lot - to show the readers when someone is trolling. In the old forums I got downvoted a lot, because of it - trolls grouped together against me, a whole forum of botters downvoted my posts in certain threads.
Now, the same happens here - trolls combine against me, but good thing is they can not downvote me any longer and bury my posts so that the readers skip it.
There is nowhere to go trolls - your back is at the wall and everyone wants 3rd parties gone from Diablo 4.