Sorry I’m responsible for the d3planner links. Hadn’t had time to update to the CC version. I have now updated the link and it now has both versions.
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On the d3planner, the simulator is not updated for the new patch. If you look at the skill damage itself, those numbers are updated but still not correct.
I used the planner a lot and I made 2 builds that use the CC set and I got different damages and the sets were very close to the same. I made one small change and the damage should have decreased by less than 1% but it showed up as a 30% change.
Right now the planner will get you close but it is far from perfect right now.
The question from MarcOfDeath was “why my numbers are 604kkk dps for one build and 442kkk dps for another”. Link to d3planner with those numbers is needed to answer this question.
Ah I see. I don’t ever look at d3planner for those numbers cause I know they can be off. I just use it as a reference for best rolls for each item for each build. I keep a few D3 tabs open to reference whatever build(s) I am working toward to see if said item is viable or just salvage.
It’s telling me I can’t post links, but if you go to d3planner you can import from MarcOfDeath#1548 (NA) and load my seasonal Barb, his name is Spin2Win.
My paragon point allocations are as follows:
Movement Speed: 30
Vitality: 200
Strength: 320
Note, my damage has increased since I made my original post since I’ve gained paraagon and added more 100 augments since then (also added a double crit ring).
I currently have my weapons rolled for AD/CDR as directed by the build guide.
I replaced the belt and it did not change my WW damage a bit, so looks like d3planner isn’t adjusting for CC damage bonus as I expected.
If it outscales AD/CDR then why is this guide recommending I take IAS on weapons instead?
Because IAS can get you to the next breakpoint. Next breakpoint means more Whirlwind ticks and more Dust Devils and means more numbers to add to your Bloodshed calculation.
So shouldn’t I roll IAS if it’s giving me a higher breakpoint regardless if I’m running the CC variant or not then? Very confused.
I personally recommend IAS/AD in the CC variant if you can only get 2/3.
But I’m admittedly not the expert and I tend to do my own thing.
Edit: the thing with CDR is you want just enough to be able to reset your cooldowns. CDR is multiplicative with itself which in turn does not add that much damage after a certain point even with CC3 set bonus. So once you have enough CDR to maintain Berserker and IP, I’d focus on IAS/AD myself.
Okay. Lots of confusion, so a few reminders:
- D3Planner may not be fully updated to the new patch. No idea.
- Don’t trust sheet DPS since that doesn’t take into account multipliers.
- Don’t trust D3Planner to give you the most accurate setups for DPS and such. There are a lot of factors the simulator doesn’t take into account.
- Don’t worry about breakpoints in this build.
That said, there are a few things to consider. First, in the FAQ located at the bottom of the OP, you’ll find a link to Quin’s CDR video. Give that a watch. The difference between 57% CDR and 61% CDR isn’t that huge, but it is, like achieving another breakpoint, more damage. The thing about breakpoints is that they’ll only matter in density, and if you’re using Echoing Fury and the BK swords, you should be hitting the proper breakpoint in density.
Please also keep in mind that the Crimson’s variant is very new, and not every possible combination of rolls has been tested to determine which is the end-all, be-all optimized setup.
For now, leave your swords alone and focus on getting gloves with AD instead of CDR. That will be a bigger damage increase for sure. Then try to get a better Flavor amulet, and an Ancient Skull Grasp.
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Thanks Free, those are the upgrades I was already chasing, will keep hunting and leave my weapons with AD/CDR rolls in the meantime.
I’m now convinced that d3planner isn’t updated at all for season 18, when I change my CC belt to something else I see no change to my WW damage, bummer that we’re unable to use this tool to theorycraft BiS rolls like I thought we could.
Everyone I have updated the Dfans guide to reflect Free’s updates and the Crimson addition. Would love if you have 2 seconds for you to give this an upvote! Same with the Raekor and IK HOTA builds. Just trying to spread this knowledge to the community!
https://www.diablofans.com/members/424840-basshead007/builds
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You can use the planner but you just have to be careful. You need to know what to expect when you make and change and if you don’t get it why?
When you changed your belt and the damage didn’t change it is pretty easy to know that you just need to multiply the current number it is showing by your CDR (which the planner computes correctly) and you will know your actual damage.
Someone, please give me some advice for my HC Barb? What should I be working on improving from my gear? I currently run all defensive passives and Vit paragon to get +500k hp because I have died in HC 4 times as a WW barb. I can run T15 flawlessly with CC + Morticks but I struggle with the classic WW build. I know my flavor if time sucks but I didn’t have a choice and I needed that extra cdr that I lost on my ancient Zodiac. The barb’s name is Gamgash
Hi Gamec. At your Paragon, I would stick to T10-13 until you have all Ancients with correct rolls and decent Augments. This build demands good gear, and most of your pieces are very bad. Make sure you play at a difficulty where you can clear normal rifts in 2-5 minutes.
The classic build is very strong, but it requires density, and isn’t the best choice for a HC player. Instead, you might opt for the Crimson’s variant, which provide more reliable damage reduction for early-Season/low-Paragon play (but only if you can keep IP and Wrath up 100% of the time).
Right now, roll the WW dmg on help back to Vitality, and roll WW dmg on boots to All Resist. Use diamonds in your armor, and boost your Life to 800k+ via Paragon. You might swap Flavor for an Eye of Etlitch or an elemental immunity amulet, or you might use a Hellfire to squeeze in a DPS passive.
Frankly, I urge you to switch to Fire EQ with Band of Might, Parthans, and Esoteric + Nerves of Steel to farm better gear and level up gems. That build is much tankier and safer for HC play. Later on, when your gear is good and you’ve had time to practice learning the finer points of the build, you can switch back to WW.
Right now, it looks like the Crimson’s variant is stronger, but I haven’t seen any true end-game clears with it yet, so the jury is out. I believe that for true end-game clears, Parthans will be significantly better than Mortick’s, but again, I’m waiting until there is actual evidence.
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Thank you so much. I’ll adjust my build right now.
Anyone tried running with Stone Gauntlets in cube instead of Channeling Shoulders?
I know it would be a dps loss, but I was thinking it could provide a much more tanky variant for HC players, seeing as perma wotb would nullify the negative effects of the item, and it would see better uptime compared to say aquila
Yes, that would likely be a good option for HC players where a small DPS loss is acceptable.
All that armor stacked with teaguk bonus on top. Im curious to know what your damage reduction percentage is with max guantlet/teaguk stacks. I would assume war cry is no longer needed at that point too.