Free, this is listed on the weapon rolls section. I believe this is from before we realized that HC Rend proceed AD, so the recommendation was to go for 10% over AD, correct? I just dropped a Primal LR this afternoon with STR, LPH and CDR, so was reviewing the IB variant choices and wanted to make sure I understand as well as point it out so you can update if necessary. Thanks for writing and keeping such a useful, comprehensive guide up to date!
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Once you get to a certain point pushing, the hard cast rends + standard MH ambo rends will account for a significant chunk of total damage (I’m guessing over 80%) so intuitively it would make sense to take that over AD (on the MH only).
I don’t have any testing to back this up, but the fact that all the top barbs on seasonal ladder are rolling 10% on MH suggests it is accurate. The more area damage you already have, the better that 10% is.
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Thanks. I think I’m in a good place in that I got native CDR and STR which are recommended, and I can roll LPH to AD or 10%damage as needed depending on BR rune choice. I’m a 1200 paragon player that’s mostly single player so I don’t think I’d ever have enough paragon to want to roll str off.
Yah you lucked out on the rolls and have the luxury of flexibility, so just play around with it and see which one you like. At your paragon the 10% will be immediately more noticeable since you won’t need to resort to hard casting for a long time.
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I’ve never really played the IB variety so I’m excited to try it out. User skill will definitely be a limiting factor!
Little question. At high paragon it should be ok to waste STR on the gauntlet and gain AD there. I’m wondering if it is ok to do the same with shoulders and roll them like AR CDR REND AD. Wondering if the extra bonus of 20%AD is ok for high pushing.
If you have shoulders that rolled like that then you literally hit the jackpot. I’ve been gambling shoulders for a long time trying to get CDR/Rend/AD… it’s as elusive as a trifecta FOT.
You want to prioritize enough CDR to keep you wrath up without boon of bulkathos(60%). This allows you to take brawler. After that stack as much area damage as possible. And as blayze said the trifecta shoulders are basically like getting a perfect flavor of time. Ive been rolling shoulders all season and havn’t even seen a normal version. They would need to roll two (CDR,area,rend)stats then you roll off str for the 3rd.
If you have to choose between an area roll or rend take the area for push. Area scaling is huge.
Check out my seasonal barb, rolled a quad shoulder… only problem is it’s not ancient. I’m going to save it for when season 20 ends and try it out on my NS barb. NS currently has ancient STR, CDR, All Res and % Rend. My paragon is still low so not sure it’s worth it to lose the ~600 str augment.
Quad gloves is my next goal. 
Yah those shoulders are decent. The loss of the strength on shoulders is pretty insignificant. At 25k main stat it is 2% damage and some defense. The higher paragon you get the lower that percentage is. For me it would only be a 1.7% loss.
Don’t go out of your way you find those shoulders though. it is better to fix bad roll in other slots. Having two decent rolls there is good enough till you are min/maxing like me.
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A few nights ago I rolled a really strong quad ancient raekor shoulder with rend stats. Was pretty peeved salvaging it lol. My focus now is to get higher augments -> paragon -> secondary rolls without the likes of thorns, +gold, exp etc.
Thanks Cris.
I’m already well over 60% CDR (currently around 62 but both FOT and shoulders are not primal, and I need to fix this).
All items are primal with perfect stats. I have CDR maxed in all items (but shoulders and FOT as I said, still trying to reforge them).
I still lack AD on my primal Little Rogue.
Gauntlet has AD CDR CHC CHD. Seems pretty good. So I guess the next step is trying to get a primal shoulder with CDR / AR / REND DAMAGE and AD (good luck to me) and a better little rogue and primal fot (now sits at 100 chd 10 chd 5 cdr and 16 physical damage). Done with these 3 items I guess I could stop playing 
Sorry Im still thinking I’m playing crimson set, With the core build you need like 45%ish to drop boon minimum. I wouldn’t worry about them being primal until you have correct roll in every spot. perfect normal item>bad primal.
As long as you have cdr on your shoulders/weapons/flavor of time it might not be advisable to take the quad gloves at the moment. I cant see your build but im still wearing a primal str/crit/crit/area and have no plans to replace it yet. gloves are the worst spot to have cdr as you lose 1000 str roll vs shoulders at 650. If your running crimson you might want to play around with the core build.
Can’t pick a d3planner link right now, sorry. But yes, the primal have perfect stats, I got some luck after thousand reforges.
I wonder if I should prioritize CDR or AD, and I’m with Crimson. Will send a link ASAP.
What’s your goal… to push as high as possible on the ladder or to have all primal items? 
(I only say that tongue-in-cheek to your comment earlier about quitting after u get that last primal piece)
Was just joking but yes, the idea is to get perfect items to push as high as possible.
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Ehy Chris.
Here’s the current setup.
https://www.d3planner.com/815931322
As I previously said, I have another primal gauntlet that rolled with STR, AD, CDR and CHC. So I need to roll CHD on it. I’m currently at 61.5 CDR with that setup.
So as you can see, shoulders and Gauntlet are the pieces where I can find more combinations.
(I KNOW THAT I need AD on little rogue, so let’s count it will have AD instead of 10% damage at some point). The rest of the gear seems rather good to me (Need a primal FOT with the same stats of the one I have, but will be hard to find one… the one I have just lacks 4% physical and 3% CDR. I guess it’s ok)
Thoughts and suggestions are more than welcome.
GR128 Down. Finally cracked the top100 at Rank 87!
Let’s stretch the limits of P1700 and see if we can crack the top 50
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I’ve asked myself this same question. I’m guessing that if you hard-cast twice, the first will benefit from Mantle but the second won’t (this would the best case scenario and this is hoping that the first hard-cast snapshots the damage buff through the subsequent tick of Rend).
But I’m no expert.
Nice work, Blayze…
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