Diablo IV Announcement Discussion

World Events and PvP take place in different areas. No one is forcing you to do anything. If you don’t want to do World Events or PvP, don’t go to those areas. Stick to the Campaign, side Quests and Dungeons.

You’re right. It’s NOT MMO. It’s “Open World”.

It IS “Soloable”.

What are you talking about? what if they make some loots only available from world bosses(which is a possibility), or they have a higher chance of dropping something good(which is most likely the case)? Then how is that not “forcing” me to do it? This is “indirectly forcing”

What i mean by soloable, is making World Bosses Soloable, this needing to team up to do Bosses in a ARPG is rubbish , only WoW fans will like it or defend it, but then, go play WoW.

And why can’t I do world bosses solo just for fun anyway? (given that they don’t have higher chances to drop something good, which is very unlikely,but if they don’t, then I am not “indirecly forced” to do it I suppose, but most likely they will have a higher chance to drop good stuffs (they likely won’t be called world bosses/world event if they dont), so I am quite sure i will be indirectly forced to do them anyway and this “just for fun” point is a most likely gonna be a moot point anyway.) I am not in a freaking MMO. I might see a boss and like how he looks and love killing him But i dont wanna party. Why forces me to party to kill him? Am I in a MMO?

I should be able to do all the content of the game even if I play solo. Locking some content away only to parties is not a good step to take in diablo series. This is not WoW. If it’s mmo then its fine, you can’t expect to do every content solo in MMO cause even the name says “massively Multiplayer”.

Nowhere has anyone stated there would be World Event-specific loot drops. In fact, the implication is that Blizzard does not want there to be.

Too many players are complaining about things they are imagining in a game that isn’t even due out for 2 or 3 more years. I mean: We can argue “What if they do…” and “What if they don’t…” until the end of time.

I have stated in another thread that I hope Blizzard doesn’t lock or gate Game Content behind certain Events. If they do, many of us will be concerned. Others may prefer it.

I encourage you to suggest that certain Game Content not be available only in World Events. But, don’t say you’re forced to do something when we have no idea what D4 will be like until it’s released.

The best we can hope for is to make suggestions and hope that Blizzard listens to the majority. :v:

Ok there is no world-event specific loot, howweverr…There is a big possibility that world bosses will have higher chance to drop good stuffs (otherwise it’s bad design anyway, why make the “world bosses” if they have the same loot as other bosses?). So in a way this is more or less forcing people to do it. Cause if you don’t, you are missing a big loot chance, it’s like making a loss in a business :). Of course you can choose not to do it, but then you are missing the loots (in a loot based game, so it matters a lot). This is a loot based game, so it’s only a illusion of choice if you say you can choose whether to do or not to do world bosses when that bosses gives good loot. Cause in reality you don’t really have a choice unless you wanna gimp ur loot finding.

And …you hope? if? there is no IF here anymore, and you don’t need to “hope” they wont (cause they already did), because it is already stated that world bosses will be a party only feature (unless they change it, that is why i ask them to reconsider). And world bosses is a content. So unless you are willing to party , you will never be able to do/see this content, cause it is lock behind grouping.

One more thing, what the majority want isn’t always the best/correct option.

We don’t know that. From the streams I’ve seen, the only loot that dropped from the World Event Boss was normal loot. Yes, that could change by the time D4 is released. But, so far, Blizzard said they didn’t want players to be “gimped”, as you put it, by not participating in any Event, whether it’s World Events or PvP.

Also, you’re implying that you have to be in a Party to do World Events. YOU DO NOT. If you want to do a World Event and 20 other people help you take down the Boss, SO WHAT! The loot is Player-specific. Your loot is yours. Their loot is theirs. Grab yours and go on about your business.

And, like I said before, if you don’t want to participate in those Events, then don’t. I bet you’ll find any loot you’re looking for in other, Solo, Single Player-only, aspects of the game.

We’ll see when the game comes out. Until then, you’re only GUESSING. :man_shrugging:

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Don’t forget Cross Regional Chat

The gaming community to which I belong has members all over the world.

It would be great if we could chat in game easily.

Thanks

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ok forget anything I said about loots, since you seems to be too focused on that.

If I wanna do the world bosses solo and I don’t wanna wait for other players, why Can’t I? Why do I have to wait for other players to do it together more or less like in a MMORPG?

I am only guessing on the loot part, but I am not guessing that you need a party to even do it in the first place or the game Wont even let you fight the boss, this is bad.

I walk alone and I saw a world boss, I wanna kill it alone for fun and for bragging rights, why cant it? Or am I still “guessing” ?

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You don’t have to wait for anyone. There’s a countdown timer showing when the World Event starts. It starts when the timer expires. NOT when OTHER PLAYERS show up.

That’s why it’s possible to show up and start fighting a World Event Boss when the battle has already started or to begin a World Event if you’re the only one there.

You don’t have to join a Raid… or a Group… or a Party. Just kill the Boss, pick up your loot and go about your business. And if you don’t care about the loot, you can leave it on the ground.

MY POINT IS: No one is forcing you to do anything.

Sometimes you might. Sometimes you might not be able to. (Fight it all by yourself that is). And that might be one aspect of the game that won’t go your way.

If that’s going to be that much of a problem for you, then maybe D4 is not the game for you.

And still, no one is forcing you to do anything. You don’t have to buy the game and you don’t have to play it. I’m sure there are other games out there that are more suited to your play-style.

If you decide to play… then Welcome!

If not… Good luck on your future endeavors!

If you don’t like it then don’t play? That is a weak way to counter :).

They are asking for feedbacks right? they did not say if you don’t like it we can’t help it, move on and play other games.

So this is my feedback, make every content in the game soloable if you are strong enough, period. That is what Diablo series is about. You can team if you want and you can solo if you want, there is no such thing as you must party to do certain bosses , that does not belong to the Diablo series.

Sometimes you might? From what I read, it is stated that world bosses is a party only feature, you won’t be able to kill them solo even if you are strong enough, the game wont let you, it’s not about gear check. I am not talking about gear check here, I am talking about the game not allowing it in the first place. Unless I heard it wrongly? but I doubt that cause I am pretty sure it is already stated world bosses is a party only thing.

It is that not THATT of a big deal for me, but I still strongly think something like this clearly and obviously does not belong in the Diablo series (needing party/other players to do certain bosses/content).

And i think if you are a true fan of the Diablo series… you won’t be defending this feature as well, it clearly does not belong in the Diablo series.

That’s not what I meant. You’re twisting my words. Your “feedback” are claims that you cannot do this or that. And you are forced to do this or that. The game is not even out yet. We don’t know what the game will be like… yet.

Your feedback, in my opinion, which I admit may not hold much weight, should be: This is what you suggest Blizzard does with this aspect of the game. Not: This is what I’m forced to do.

I’m not trying to counter anything. In fact, on most of your points, I’m in agreement with. It’s just that you’re making claims about things we don’t have complete information on right now.

I think our definition of “Party” is different. To, “Party” means you have to form a Group or Raid by inviting players to group together. That’s is not the case with World Events. Although, it’s true, at this point, there may be other players involved in the World Event battle. Still, you do not have to “Party” or group up with them.

What feature? You’re under the impression you have to “Party” with other players to participate in World Events. You do not. You may see other players fighting in the World Event, but you will not be in a Party with them if you don’t want to be.

Diablo has always had Multiplayer. The only difference in D4 is there will be SOME areas where you can participate in World Events if you want to, but don’t have to. You can even group up with other players, in a “Party”, if you want to, for the World Events, but you don’t have to. There will be SOME areas where you can PvP, but you don’t have to. You can even group up with other players, in a “Party”, and PvP other groups of PvP Parties. The rest of the game is PRIVATE and SOLO only, unless you INVITE someone to PARTY with you.

So far, Blizzard has NOT said that ANY items will be specific to World Events or PvP. I may have misunderstood you, but it sounds to me you’re implying that some items WILL be exclusive to World Events and/or PvP and you’re worried you’ll miss out on it. If that’s not what you meant, I’m sorry I misunderstood you.

From all the D4 Demo streams I’ve watched, I’ve seen no evidence that there will be any items that are exclusive to World Events or PvP.

And, just to be clear, I’m NOT defending anything. Your feedback is welcome.

This is my feedback. :wink:

Hmmm, Ok :slight_smile: thanks for the long detailed reply.

My concern was if I have to find parties/form a group to do world event. I really hated this part even in diablo 3 when everyone’s mindset is meta meta meta…so hard to find a group to do something when like everyone I meet online is having the mindset of Meta meta meta, If i am not playing a zdps as a barb, i am out before any considerations, that’s it. So i hate the experience of trying to find a party to do something.

But from what you say it may not be like that, since d4 is open world, I may not need to find a group or something like that to do world bosses, which is at least fine to me,cause I really hate the process to find groups, and end up playing solo most of the time. But the best way for me is to make it soloable as well, in which currently it is not right?

Still it’s fine tho if we don’t have to find a party/have people in friend list we must invite just to do world bosses, it’s not that bad then.

I like playing Solo too. So I understanding what you’re saying.

That has been my point all along.

I’m glad you finally understand what I’ve been trying to say.

If I see you in Scosglen I’ll be sure to wave…

But, you won’t have to “Party” with me.

So dissapointed the skill tree is “a-la-wow” and not diablo 2 at all… they really missed the point.
The point was that “you could” make a specialist that would had all points invested in only 5-6 skills, and the synergy system also helped improve it.
That D2 system was the best, ensuring even some goofy builds could be done right (I’m looking at you 70% slows clay golem necros and crazy frost auradin freezing you 3 screens apart <3).

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I really like the World boss idea. And I don’t feel yet that i’m forced to create a party or talk to anybody. But I still understand some people apprehension. I think it could be easy to add a ‘‘Solo mode’’ at the creation of the caracter. You won’t be able to change after, but it could give extra drop rate and reduce the power of world boss so people could solo them.

Dear Blizzard, Diablo creators and all fans,

Few “must have” from my site, please respect it like I respect Sanctuary…
One drop for everyone. Not single, own lot for each player. Like in D2 not D3.

Make please, a Ture hard “grinder”… for many hours. Make rare items more rare and value. Slow gaining experience. Make my level more value too - not 90 lvl after 1h…

Please make TRADING possible. We need this. For comunitation and meetings in town. For interaction with each other. Chatting&trading for rare value items, gems, runes…

For sure I’ll talk more later, just trust me… and looking forward to your anwer. Let’s cooperate. Lets make what every true fan wants.

PS.
Small details like this… In Diablo 2 when you open teleport (town tp) your character at first have to OPEN TELEPORT for real - (not only loading bar) and its open on both sites for everyone for example: in Cmentary and town in the same time, until you hop in back! (not invisible teleports for only myself ((like own drop)) #imagination).

It will be great to hear smth from your site guys,
Kind Regards,

Pingwin.

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I’m honestly very excited for D4.
What I want, realistically, is something action-wise, similar to D3, but with more end-game variety.
I have no problem at all with some builds being more viable than others, but I’d like to see target farming better than D3 (which really has none) but less irritating than D2’s Baal runs. You know what I mean, lol.

Please return the original assassin, no need to reinvent the wheel. Of the three previous parts of the game, there are already so many classes that it’s enough for all of the game roles and even more, return the assassin!

I have been an avid Diablo player and long time supporter of blizzard. It saddens me to see that Blizzard is planning to put micro-transactions into Diablo IV. MTX have no place in a full priced game with paid DLC. I was excited to play Diablo IV, but I won’t be purchasing the game if it has MTX, cosmetic or otherwise, in the game.

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Heaven has closed. Crazy Maltael has done his job.

Father Inarius disappeared. But the Mother of the Nephalems, Lilith, returned. And she will raise the nefalems to storm both the Hell and the Heaven. And in the final we, as the hero - Nefalem, will return to the Pearl, will become Anu himself.
Decent completion of the cycle, what do you think?
(Just a beautiful idea that developers still have time to implement.)

What Slaine said.

I think they should include light radius and keep the animations from the spells like the sorc.