I have been saying one thing in this thread the whole time. Since all of Blizz’s titles can be ran on a pc powered by a potato. It would be highly unlikely that all of a sudden the minimum and even the recommended system specs for D4 would all of a sudden be so high that you would need a computer system (monitor and tower) that could handle ray tracing and g sync or free sync at the very least just to play D4 on minimum system specs. I do believe that D4 will launch with minimum and recommended system specs that are far lower than that.
When new computer parts comes out there is an urge for some to jump right on the bandwagon and buy it. Even though what they have is more than sufficient for the use that they wanted the computer for.
I know that I won’t have to go out and buy the latest computer parts just to play D4.
It is like cars just because the new model of your current car came out doesn’t mean you have to buy it. More so if your current car still has money left on the loan to be paid.
If you or anyone else thinks that I am gonna wait for D4 to come out before I bought this system that I put together myself you are sadly mistaken. I needed a new computer because the other was like I said before eight plus years old.
I would dare say that the minimum system specs for D4 would probably be a processor from about four to six years ago from the time of D4’s launch and about the same for the video card. And the recommended would be probably about half of that. With a Ram requirement of around 4gb for minimum and an 8gb for recommended.
We have to remember that Blizz loves money and they will want to sell D4 to as may people as they can. So that rules out requiring the high end computers that would be way too rich for anyone. Doing that would mean that instead of possibly 30 million plus people buying and playing D4 you would only have around 3 million over the entire lifetime of D4.
I have checked the computer parts that I was intended on buying to see if I could play all of the games that I was playing plus a few more and found out that I could do just that.
Oddly enough, when D3 came out there was quite a bit of discussion about how awkwardly demanding it was. Blizzards games historically were not with low requirements. Their niche was to meet very conservative requirements very respectably, in that their games both offered very little gfx configuration, and strove to offer very respectable visuals in these rather closed and polished environments
Hardly demanding for 2012. There was no discussion on how demanding it was. Not sure what you are smoking but since WoW every Blizzard game has had a wide range of gfx options. If you wanted their games to run smooth with the ultra settings you needed to be at or above the recommend settings which again for D3 were hardly demanding in 2012.
And I have been saying this entire thread that og they don’t tale advantage of the new technology presented by this new generation, Blizzard is going to loose a lot of money on wasted development and replayability as the game will be outdated within a year.
I have a feeling your aren’t very tech savy and have no clue about the technology offers, but to put out simple, you can create a new dynamic world that evolves naturally without being bound to sitting and painting dull backgrounds. Essentially you can create a field where the grass grows as you stand there and look at it. You can create a trees that grow and bloom, without ever having spend time to draw the actual tree.
This means you can do away with copy dungeons over and over again, and create a living world to populate with monsters and demons, that can blossom or die depending on what you kill. You can make the environment burn or get covered in blood in natural realistic manners without wasting time painting everything beforehand and that means you can save 80% of the data of the world creation, which means you can build the game 5 times bigger in the same time, without crating huge downloads.
Not to mention all the advantages to lightning and exploration effects to create ambience and atmosphere that is much more engaging and believable. And add to that Blizzard has hired people from Project Red, who are not known for limiting on possibilities when it helps building the world and ambience.
Again you are not understanding what I am saying. If they make D4 where players have to get the latest video cards just to come close to being able to play D4 then you will see D4 lose a lot of sales.
Making ray tracing bare minimum in the system specs will put D4 well beyond the means of a lot of gamers. They will show it by not buying D4. Trust me if D4 launches and ray tracing is bare minimum and I don’t already have that kind of system. Then D4 will not be for me. I will never buy the latest computer or computer parts just to be able to play any game. I know that I am not alone on this either.
Now if they made D4 with ray tracing and a way of turning it off so I wouldn’t be forced to buy the latest RTX card that supports at an enjoyable fps then I would buy D4.
It is that simple, if D4 can be played on the current computer that I am using to play games on then I will buy it. If it can’t then I won’t buy it. It doesn’t get any simpler than that.
WoW will have ray tracing and not require a RTX card as a minimum. It will just be a toggle similar to when they added directX12. If ray tra6is in D4 it will be a toggle usable by those that can and want.
@BeefhammerThis is exactly what I have been trying to say. If the pc games of the future will be developed to help sell the latest cutting edge tech. Where the bare minimum you would have to have to play it is to have that tech. Then I don’t see much of a future for game developers. I highly doubt that the majority of gamers are always gonna go out and buy the latest stuff just to play the new games.
Sure the ones that have to have the latest will. But not the ones that don’t. When game companies along with the makers of computer parts start to go the way where you will have to have a high end up to the latest date of equipment to be able to play the games coming out in that year then like I said I don’t see much of a future for video games.
Does this mean that they cannot take advantage of the features. Not at all, as long as it isn’t the bare minimum entry to play the game then it is fine that they take advantage of it.
I happen to disagree with you, because I do believe that the majority of players don’t have a RTX 2080TI in their computer or the size of the monitor that would support 4k gaming. Developing games for them and them alone won’t be as successful as if you were to target less than that as your entry level for playing the game you make.
What I am saying is that if game developers start designing their games that is for the sole purpose of selling the cutting edge tech that launches or has launched close to the launch of the game like ray tracing did the RTX series then those games will not be nearly as successful as the ones that are designed with a wide variety of systems in mind.
That is almost like saying all games designed to cater to only hardcore gamers. Where no casual gamer would be allowed wouldn’t be as successful as having both there.
Otherwise it is saying that there are more than enough rich people playing games to afford those kinds of systems.
If I were to poll the current players of a lot of games I am sure that the majority would be middle income. Ones that couldn’t afford such a system.
No, but they already have, or will have consoles in less than two months, that support 4K gaming.
And millions of 2070-2080 cards have been sold as well.
Middle income people can easily afford a gaming pc/console.
Less than the ‘majority’ is still hundreds of millions of people.
There are. But they dont need to be rich to afford it.
Anyway, I am not arguing that it is smart to make games that you can only run on high end hardware…
But it is a fact that devs do that. And are very successful at it.
Just because millions of them have been sold doesn’t mean that a majority has them. How many people are playing games on GTXs like the one that I am using the 1650 or 1660 super. Or even the 1080TI. Or even the radeon equivalent. I wouldn’t doubt that there are more with low to mid range cards and monitors than there are high end cards, monitors and cpus.
If you are looking worldwide then hundreds of millions would be true. If you are looking at this country then it would be the majority. There are about 330 million people here in the US.
Oh and people the majority will h ave the money needed to afford a video card that can cost anywhere from $500-$1500. That doesn’t count a monitor that can handle 4k if a game developer was dumb enough to make their game where 4k would be the only resolution that the game supports.
Okay then tell me what games need (ed) the latest gen cpus/gpus along with monitors that could handle 2k or 4k resolution? Where if you didn’t have that you couldn’t play the game at all because that would be well below minimum system specs. Go ahead I will wait for you to tell me which companies and which games.
Then we can see just how successful they are compared to ones that develop their games for a wide audience like Blizz.
Btw Blizz is so successful at it they make in the billions a year. How many other companies out there do that.
You are missing the whole point. When game developers develop games that are there for the sole purpose to help manufactures to sell the latest generation of tech that just released like ray tracing was for the 20 series Nvidia. You will have problems with the ones that have bought the lower end video cards.
Forcing people to buy the latest tech for a computer or a new computer every year isn’t gonna cut it regardless of what you think should be done.
I think you are going way off course. Blizzard doesn’t do this. D4 won’t do this. It matters not that consoles will have this, nor any modern game that may. Blizzard won’t until it is the standard.
Games that currently utilize RTX don’t even need RTX cards because it is a toggle that can be turned off. I can’t really think of any PC game that required top end technology to play. PC has always allowed lower end specs to access the gsme6. If you want to take full advantage of the options you may need the tech, those without have almost always been able to play as well.
I have never claimed the majority have them.
I said, a company can focus solely on the people with high-end gaming systems, and be wildly successful doing so. Since lots of millions of people have such systems.
Yes, worldwide of course.
Yes, middle income people can also afford a 4k monitor You can get those quite cheap. Not that I would recommend going for a 4K monitor. More value in a 1440p monitor with higher refresh rate tbh.
Which is irrelevant.
You can be succesful even if there are other companies in the world that are more succesful. Otherwise you would need to consider Blizzard a failure.
Nonsense.
Anyway, take a look at any of the exclusive launch games for the Xbox Series and PS5. They require that you buy a high end console to run.
I dont think it should be done, nor have I said that.
You know full well the reason why I have been replying. The whole spirit of this thread has been one of in order for D4 to do well it must take full advantage of the new tech which is ray tracing. Don’t dare tell them that anything less than a system that is fully capable of handling ray tracing can play it by turning it off.
Why because they say that if that happens then D4 will be in the past. I guess then those games that already have it and can be turned off are stuck in the past.
You are missing the point here there are more people with average to low end systems. So targeting just the high end systems will not be enough.
Hmm, have you heard of free sync and g sync. This means a variable refresh rate. So a 4k monitor can have either and still perform well with the right card. Now you are talking a lot of money if you go that route. This is what I am talking about. Taking full advantage of the game.
I say that Blizz isn’t a failure because they have a fine mix of all levels of gaming computers from entry level to high end.
I am talking pc games, as you should already know.
That is exactly what the spirit of this thread has been all about. In order for D4 to take advantage of ray tracing. Don’t dare say that anything less than a gaming rig that can take full advantage of ray tracing can play D4.
Saying it means, to them, that you are wanting D4 to stay in the past. Even the games that support the new tech have a way to turn it off for those that don’t have that tech.
This is what I am saying about D4 and Ray Tracing (this is what I would have made the title of the thread) as long as D4 has a way of turning it off then everything will be fine and I will probably be playing ti. If not then I will look elsewhere.
Sure it will. Doesn’t matter that more people have mid/low-end systems (btw, any proof of that?)
You can be perfectly successful at targeting a small part of a market.
I mean, have you ever heard of Apple?
They have kept refusing to make low-end Iphones (at least so far, there are rumors about a low-end iphone currently), even though, surely, they would be able to sell more phones that way (hence, Apple has a low market share vs. android). It would be silly, and wrong, to call Apple unsuccessful however.
Yes, I have a gsync monitor.
It is not some magical device that solves low framerates. 30 fps is still 30 fps. It is still terrible.
The purpose of gsync is to solve screen tearing. It can help with making a lower framerate feel smoother. But it is not actually improving the low framerate.
I’d be perfectly fine with D4 not supporting ray-tracing at all. It is highly overrated right now. I am sure it will be amazing some day. Probably not in time for D4 though.
Hmm, 1.4 billion apple devices being used by about a billion people worldwide. When you have around 7.5 billion people in the world. I would day say that close to one seventh of the world’s population is not a small part of the world.
The way that I understand both syncs is that when you have a video card that can give you more fps than the refresh rate of the monitor you can experience screen tearing. So both syncs means that the monitor will run at the same refresh rate as the amount of fps given to it by the video card.
And you know damned well it will be successful and not require top end tech that your potatoes can run. It’s almost troll concerning at this point. Blizzard makes games to be played on a wide range of PC specs. At times they have implemented options that takes advantage nww tech but as an option not a requirement. D4 will be no different.