[D4] How much randomness is too much?

[Shadout-2849]

@Skelos-2150

That someone is the “E” from the “PvE” acronym. And it could be better than all of the players aka there could exists a BOSS that no one can’t kill in PvE.

My point was; there everyone literally cant be number 1 in PvP. Impossible.
In PvE, even if you make a super hard boss, in theory, everyone might manage to beat it.
We sure have heard the claims of impossible to beat content before, from game devs, that turned out not to be

@Skelos-2150

Hades has done what D3 didn’t - turned skill into a main factor for competition.

Note that rewards stop scaling at Heat 20.
Also, to call Hades a very skill based game… eh, it is a very RNG based game, more than anything.

Hades also isnt a good example of a skill-based game where time doesn’t matter (which you claimed was your definition), since it has plenty of grinding in it. You really do get stronger if you put in more time. Not endlessly, luckily, but for quite a while.

Which btw, brings me back to:

@Shadout-2849

Imo the best option is not to have those high difficulties, that narrows build diversity.
D2 did a lot wrong, but that it did right (if we ignore Teleport for a moment…, and uh, ignore most of what happened in patch 1.10+…).
Or rather, having those extra difficulties is fine, for a “challenge mode”, but they should come with zero increased droprates/xp etc.
If you go into Key Dungeon tier 10, it should be to challenge yourself, and not because it offers any better power-based rewards than Tier 8 (might still have cosmetics and what not).

I have gotten the impression in the past that you subscribed to the opposite view; that higher difficulty must have higher rewards. But you dont anymore?

I am very much in favor of optional content, with no rewards, and have argued for that forever. But for a discussion that sprang from another discussion about “completing” a game, and having Ubers from D2 as an example, it seems like a different thing.

@Blades1370-1387

Late in WoTLK once LFD came out, the go-go mentality kicked into hyperdrive. Mind you, if you have a ton of Daily Heroics, yes you want to get them done as quickly as possible, I do too, but “MY” enjoyment of the game is being diminished by people either being rude, pulling mobs, and/or complaining constantly we aren’t going fast enough.

Yeah, multiplayer is always problematic.
As long as Diablo 4 is 100% soloable, and at the same difficulty as multiplayer, that wont be an issue at least.