D2R versus D3 opinion

Don’t you think you have to ask; “was it even easy to kill Diablo in D3 for the first time?”. It was a big deal when Kripparian did a no-death Diablo kill in Hardcore mode.

On Inferno, sure. Both games back then required you to do the entire story multiple times, and neither game was in any way hard on normal, which would have been the first kill on Diablo.

But granted, Inferno Diablo in D3 was harder than Hell Diablo in D2 at least until Inferno was nerfed.

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Maybe in an alternate universe where they actually made the game how it was supposed to be. In this universe ? Its garbage.

Just google the best rpg`s ever made and im sure youll find diablo 2 up there. There is a reason why people are still playing it today, a very old game. But its a game that knew what it was trying to be, and did it very well compared to diablo 3 wich is a game they tried to repair but is still badly designed at the core. But stays alive because of the endgame farming, the seasons and the many difficulty lvls.

It is not considering that both of us living in the same universe and reality.

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You realize it’s highly subjective right? I said “I” disagree. Now clearly you don’t agree with me, and I’m sure there are people that made a subjective list that would also fall into that category.

A quick google search show D2 at best on the toplists I looked at rank 8, worst listed position rank 47. (Of the lists that actually had D2 on them, some did not.)

Yes its subjective but many times the same games are at the top of many people lists and there is bad games and good games so not all of it is subjective. Its still possible to recognise whats quality. And ive explained why diablo 2 is a better game because of how many issues diablo 3 have. And sure u probably like d3 more. But is the leveling progresdion in diablo 3 good in your opinion ? Or the loot system ? Better than diablo 2 systems? Do u think diablo 3 is a good designed game ?

No, but I don’t think it’s good in D2 either. They are at opposite sides of the spectrum, one takes 5 mins the other 250+ hours (at world record pace).

Playing thousands of hours and not seeing the item you want in D2 is Imo worse than having loot rain from the sky in D3. (And that’s ignoring the large market of D2 items for sale online for real cash by an army of botters)

It has issues, for sure, doesn’t change the fact that it gives me much more enjoyment than D2.

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This I agree with.

Yeah, Diablo on Inferno was not easy in the first days. D3 combat and difficulty in general was quite nice in the early days. Only later patches, and then ROS, really ruined it.

Yes i think d3 has some good things with it too. I also play it from time to time to try to get some new items or try new seasons or just to kill some monsters. I enjoy both games. But i hope diablo 4 will have less issues and be a better game than d3 then i will play that alot more.

D2 was objectively a garbage game, but back then it was a novelty and we didnt know any better.

Locked into the same build (pre-respec), spammig the same two skills (ie f orb & meteor) farming the same 5 bosses?

Like on what planet is that fun for more than a few playthroughs? You beat Hell baal and then thats literally game over with that toon.

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Just having fun :smiley:

Diablo 3 can´t even dream to get anywhere comparable to the original Diablo 2 or Resurrected. The gameplay of D2/D2R is just that much better.

Story, granted, but that’s about it. It plays clunky, it has way outdated mechanics and overall is a chore to play, not an enjoyment.

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Which mechanics are outdated?

It plays clunky yeah. Not saying D2 is great, only that it is better than D3. Which is a fairly easy goal to reach. D3 combat is just a complete mess that falls apart the second you reach endgame, at least D2 combat kinda works and is interesting, despite being clunky.

Stamina for basic movement. Inventory filled with buff items, not actual space to loot stuff, etc etc.

If by endgame you mean thousands of hours of farming paragons that even grift 150 is a cakewalk, sure, but that’s a reality of a tiny fraction of players. Anyone can fork out a credit card to reach the pinnacle of D2/R.

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Agreed. Stamina stops mattering after a short while though. A silly system. But also not one that affects the gameplay much.

I mean the moment you reach Torment 1. Combat is pointless, inconsequential, stack mobs and AoE.
Combat in the early days of vanilla D3 was good though. Sadly didn’t last many weeks.

Dont get me wrong, combat also breaks down in D2, primarily due to teleport/enigma, which should just be nerfed to the ground.

Sure, but that is cheating.
The one significant thing D3 does better than D2 currently imo, is not allowing trading. But that is also about it.

Yeah, avoid any and all elites with wrong affixes and kite a lot. Personally I find that annoying rather than fun.

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Endgame is t1… eh what?

Atleast d3 got a endgame its called GR150.

As u said combat in d2 is bad aswell. U think zerging is more fun than using a tactic to beat the hardest content is only a matter of your opinion. I find d2 way to ez. Takes about 1 day to beat all it got. Combat is cast 1 skill all dies if not cast it again. No clue how that is considered better combat than d3.

It does alot of things better. If u being objective u would know that. Both games has its ups and downs. D2 is outdated but some ppl prefer a primitive game as just like the game they dont evolve and are stuck in the past.

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Endgame more or less by definition is whatever happens after you finish the campaign/lvling (whatever comes first). So technically not when you go into T1 no, but close enough. D3 basically only have endgame.
The moment you hit lvl 70, and go into your first GRift, you are in endgame.

Definitely. D2 is way too easy a game. So is D3. They lack interesting, tactical and challenging combat.
Again, not saying D2 is good. The topic is merely whether it is better than D3. Which most A-RPGs worth mentioning are.

Can’t see anything else it does better. It has done some other things better in the past (as said earlier, vanilla D3 combat as better than D2 combat). But if we are comparing D2 now vs. D3 now. No.