Can we unnerf Chantodo?

[Kindran-11838]

Honestly, they should just get rid of area damage, replace it with something else and then rebalance the builds lol. Would also help with lag a lot

[MasterJay-1651]

Yah I mean the way it was in vanilla and beginning of RoS it was actually a risk, a trade-off since the density was so much lower. An actual option.

Now with the insane density it’s pretty automatic that if you’re in GR hell even 105+ , you’re just doing less damage by not taking it or utilizing it, period. So it became instead of an option or risk, a guarantee. Oh just do 5x damage everytime in a 4p group 105+…okay…what a fun option

And so of course that becomes the norm in solo 120+ as well

[Kindran-11838]

I actually think the problem also stems from CoE as well. That ring makes it better to stack and then explode instead of doing constant damage. This also compliments the way AD works as well

[ChrustAA-2702]

VYRDODO is one of the highest clear now 140+ solo ns…it wqasnt nerfed a lot… more classes is far away

[Bubu-2241]

@ChrustAA-2702

VYRDODO is one of the highest clear now 140+ solo ns…it wqasnt nerfed a lot… more classes is far away

You are correct! After the recent patch, there are even more classes, that are stronger compared to chantodo Vyr! Thank you for your Support. So we have barb, Monk,crusader and WD! that are 4 classes that are even above 144+! Chantodo Vyr wasnt nerfed a lot, but it was too much.

Or maybe you mean we should nerf every build to demonhunter lv? I Would be glad because that would be fair! Every spec would suck but at least everyone would have to suffer equally

The nerf wasnt fair at all and wasnt needed in the first place period.

[ChrustAA-2702]

@Bubu-2241

nter lv? I Wo

imo we should nerf every build to 130 solo at most and no way to gain 150 in party…it will be perfect world ;]

[pai-1259]

Wheres the fun in that?

[Windigo-1563]

@Bubu-2241

The nerf wasnt fair at all and wasnt needed in the first place period.

I agree the Chantodo Vyr build actually brought me back to playing Wizard after a long lay off, it was fun to play, very entertaining and it really didn’t need to be Nerfed as it turned out to be “balanced” with other good builds.

So YES, Unnerf Chantodo!

[DeadAlive-11517]

Yes please unnerf Chantodo,my vote is in .

[Kindran-11838]

I want to play a similar powered frozen Orb build tbh. That’s fun!

My favorite wizard builds
Vyr Manald
Tal meteor shower
Tal frozen Orb

All of these look so cool when playing. I personally wanted a mirror image set. Imagine if the new set was something like this instead.

• 2piece - your mirror images now deal your full damage
• 4piece - your mirror images decrease damage taken by 60%
• 6piece - your mirror images increase all damage by 15,000%

Or something similar

[Kindran-11838]

@Sandro-11747

That is why I suggest overall buff instead of nerfing the top-tier builds. Chantodo should be buffed too. Rend does not need to be nerfed if Chantodo can be rolled back to the previous state.

Nope, if we just buff everything to the highest tier then in 2 seasons we will all clear GRift 150 solos in 2 days of season start. You have to nerf the top builds. It’s the only way power creep doesn’t fly sky high

[Kindran-11838]

@Sandro-11747

Have you “ever” played 4p run (not public GR) as a damage dealer? The dealer class should have a damage-dealing potential at least solo 145 to clear 150 in group with the assistance from monk & barb supporters. If every build is nerfed to the max-potential of 140-141 in 10k paragon (this is what you suggested), GR 150 in group will be un-approachable for most general players.

Yes I have actually, and this is simply not true.

@Sandro-11747

If you want to make Tal-Meteor Shower viable as a 4p damage dealer, that class should be buffed to the same tier of the current Rend / Crus. It has not been used in group because it is “soooooo weak” to kill the mobs in +145 GR.

I don’t as I understand the limits of Meteor Shower. Half your damage doesn’t benefit from Area Damage since it’s coming from Etched Sigil. It’s not used in groups because it’s so weak, it’s also from the lack of Area Damage kill potential that 4p groups need.

[Kauzmiq-1327]

Anyone knows if next season they will unnerf Chantodo? Or buff Vyr in general? Honestly can see and say that vyr wiz population is very low, 4 man groups always looking for only SB WD now, vyr wiz cant compete. There could be other reasons but I think the nerf had the biggest impact.

[MerLock-1557]

After a year I’m coming back to this again. Chantodo was one of the most fun builds I’ve played. Can we make it competitive again? Doesn’t make sense to nerf this build where soon after, other classes got major buffs that surpassed this one.

[WipeoutNOR-2400]

Agree. Why on earth did they nerf this build so bad. Is it so hard to make atleast two builds competitive…

[WittyGem-1417]

@MerLock-1557

Chantodo was one of the most fun builds I’ve played

Lol in what universe?

Hitting like a wet tissue 80% of the gameplay time just for a 20-second window of bland-af walking-around-and-letting-Wave-of-Destruction-do-all-the-work.

Bye Felicia…

[chris-11418]

I don’t play wizard but this would be a very easy way to make wizard have one build that is competitive. It would require almost no work and would make a lot of people happy.

[Oblivion-1520]

My own suggestion on what could be done for Vyr and Chantodo.

@Oblivion-1520

Vyr’s Amazing Arcana:

• 2 piece bonus:
  • For every 10 archon stacks gained, reduce the remaining cooldown of Archon by 5 seconds. Archon gains effects of all Runes.
• 4 piece bonus:
  • Archon kill stacks also increase Attack Speed, Armor and Resistances by 1% per stack.
• 6 piece bonus:
  • Gain one Archon stack per hit or per tick of damage of any Archon ability. Archon stacks also reduce damage taken by 0.15% each and their damage bonus increases to 100% per stack. Increase the damage of all Archon abilities by 25% per Archon Stack.

Chantodo’s Resolve :

Note: Firstly, the nerf should be reverted. Secondly the amount of stacks needed should be reduced from 20 to 10, and followed by upping the chantodo damage from 4000% to 8000%.

• 2 piece bonus:
  • Every second while in Archon form you expel a Wave of Destruction, dealing 8000% weapon damage to enemies within 30 yards. This damage scales with attack speed.
  • Every time you hit with an attack while not in Archon form, 8000% weapon damage is added to the Wave of Destruction, stacking up to 10 times. For each stack, reduce the damage of your attacks (except for the Wave of Destruction) by 8.9% while in Archon form.

[MerLock-1557]

@WittyGem-1417

Lol in what universe?

Hitting like a wet tissue 80% of the gameplay time just for a 20-second window of bland-af walking-around-and-letting-Wave-of-Destruction-do-all-the-work.

In my universe.

If you spent 80% of the time hitting like a wet tissue, you probably had the wrong gear. With the correct setup, you actually spend most of your time in archon form with little down time at all. The fun comes in with timing the convention of element rotations with setting up the grouping and pulls and while having great mobility to do it with teleporting.

[Dead213End-1636]

yep, unnerf chantodo. it and has always been at the same tier as any other builds and it was fun to play.