Because I Can Play Both… and POE doesnt have a leaderboard basically…
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Wow so many sad people against a SSF leaderboard because they can’t handle SSF.
I play strictly solo, I have never, and never will group, or play a public game in D3. Mainly because of toxic people like the ones in this thread, telling me I suck because i don’t play the game the way they think it should be played.
As it is we DO NOT have a solo leader board. We simply have another board for group players to get an ego stroke on. Levelling, gearing, farming paragon all while grouped, then doing a solo run is not soloing. The current Solo LB, even with it’s new changes is still a joke.
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I’ve learned the the main D3 forums are a cesspool of ppl like you. Just like in poe they begged for leagues on end and eventually got it. Its the community. Blizzard has answered before to community on their games.
GGG is just much better at it. They listen and are very in touch with their player base. They read posts, reddit posts and mass feedback and always keep updated. As well as on twitter.
That’s the only thing that will get me to play this season.
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It’s not the same. Solo leaderboards are full of people who’ve grouped to get bounty materials as well as level up gems in GRs far higher than they could normally play solo.
It only takes about 3 hours into the season to the point that playing SSF can’t compete with a group, and it doesn’t matter how good of a player you are. I ran SSF on Asia this season on Asia and in a group on EU. 4 hours into the season on Asia, I was only paragon 160ish. 4 hours on EU, I was paragon 450ish. (For proof of this, you can check my character in game on the Boss Mode leaderboard, which takes a snapshot of your character, including paragon level.)
And as other people mentioned, you can’t just have an honor system SSF league, because you’ll have those people who will group up.
It’s honestly not like it would take that much of a change either, despite what people are thinking. The game is capped at four players. You create a new server, similar to how HC & SC are different, and you cap the max players who can join at one. I doubt it would even take more than a day to get properly implemented, excluding the artwork for the menu screen.
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SSF LB
It’s something that is not complicated to set up …it would be a great success
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A few questions for those wanting SSF.
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Do you enjoy competing in weekly challenge rifts? Theoretically, every player is on an even playing field - playing exact same rift with the exact same toon. It’s a test of skill/game knowledge with no one having an “unfair” advantage for having played in groups / being a higher level. But I don’t know many players who take it seriously as a competition.
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Would you still have shared loot & paragon among SSF toons? If so, would the complaints not return all over again? (ie “it’s not fair that someone could grind to 2000 paragon on a demon hunter and then switch to barbarian and dominate those boards too!”)
Solo leaderboards represent a player clearing a rift all by themselves. That’s it. I disagree with people saying it’s “not solo” because a character utilized group play to improve their power level. My main season goals revolve around my solo push, I play in groups to benefit those goals. I don’t see group play somehow invalidates my solo efforts.
I’m not opposed to SSF leaderboards at all, but I do think it’s backwards that group players are accused of “elitism” when this thread seems to be “true solo” players telling all others that their solo clears aren’t relevant or “legit” because they happen to play in groups as well.
It’s all about cumulative time spent by a single player for the amount of paragon they accumulate.
Group play greatly decreases the amount of time in order to achieve more paragon. Most solo players can’t run GR120 in under 2 minutes.
It’s not fair that a group player can grind to 2000 paragon in 40 hours compared to 200+ hours for a solo player and compete on the same leader boards.
Paragon affects leader boards.
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no they dont…its 90% ‘’ solo ‘’ players with group gems…these ‘’ solo ‘’ players cant do past 120 if their lives depended on it…those group gems carry their arses…its pethedic
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Because pushing with 150 gems and max augs is almost not possible in SSF and have a dramatic effect on how high a player can go. Not to mention unlocking GR’s way ahead of your personal ability I would assume.
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My personal ability brought me to do a 150 solo clear, like it or not. The mechanics of the game allow a group configuration to clear high GRs sooner than solo. Embracing the game mechanics does not invalidate my solo clear. Again, this is very elitism that group players are being accused of - if we don’t play the game how you see fit, we’re somehow cheaters and not valid. Again, I have no issue with people wanting a different game mode than reflects their play style, but you don’t have to insult other members of the community for playing the game as it is currently designed.
You asked… 
A 150 Necro solo clear at 5000 Paragon. Not invalid. But not particularly impressive because the leader board is filled with 150 clears at 4000+ paragon.
#136 on the Necro season leaderboard. That’s hugely impressive - 148 clear at P2261.
Those are the players that the leaderboards should be showcasing.
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My seasons goals revolve around my solo push. Most of the time I spend in the game is meant to work towards that goal, including time spent grinding paragon in groups. Because I understand the mechanics.
In many ways, I’m saying the same thing as you - group play is a requirement in order to compete in solo pushes. I would likely be more of a “true solo” player if this wasn’t the case. Ultimately, I’m just saying is you’d catch more flies with honey. You could say “This is how I enjoy the game & I would like a separate game mode to see how I compare to likeminded players” and I’d respect that a lot more than “This is how I enjoy the game & I don’t view the efforts of anyone who plays differently as valid”
Yet you are ranked on a board that is presuming you did it all yourself. 
Seriously? It’s a Solo GR leaderboard; not a SOLO leaderboard. Big difference. The only presumption is on your part.
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That is impressive, respect & congrats on the clear. But is it more impressive to fish for the perfect rift you can clear at a lower level, or is it more impressive to spend the time to grind paragon so you can achieve a higher clear without having to spend as many keys?
I ask that sincerely, without any snark. To me, I can respect both approaches and the efforts involved in either.
I completed the rift all by myself. I played the rift solo, so yes, it’s ranked on the solo leaderboards - it’s not that complicated. Again, I can understand if players want a game mode to reflect their play style. No opposition here. I just don’t get why that request has to come with “this is why the effort of other players’ effort isn’t as valid as mine .”
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It’s not my clear. And that’s why I think it’s more impressive at a lower paragon because fishing is only a part of it.
I’m at about the same paragon level, and the same level of augments and gear. I’ve fished over 500 keys and I keep missing 140.
Impressive is determined by how many people can do what others can do. If many people can do what you can do, it’s not that impressive.
There are a lot of 150 clears with high Paragon players. There’s only two players that can clear above 146 at 2200-2300 paragon.
I have friends that are over 6000 paragon and are still trying to get their solo necro 150. I don’t disagree that it’s impressive to “punch up” and clear a higher GR than what’s expected for your paragon, but I’d also say it’s impressive to spend the time to grind to 5k so you can get your clear.
Ultimately, if I don’t impress you very much - that’s totally ok too 
I set my goal & I’m satisfied having achieved it. I just don’t agree with people saying it’s invalid because I recognized how group play would help me to achieve my goal.
Best of luck on your pushes and happy hunting!
I don’t get people who are against SSF LB. How does it affect you? I think there is a lot of people who quit seasons early because they want to play solo, but they know they can’t compete against paragons and augments of players who do groups.
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