I agree with you on DotA fiasco, but on HS, definitely not. HS was a big success compare to how much they had to invest. It was one of the main reason for there being a sudden jump in popularity (on what scale, we can debate on, but enough nontheless) in the CCG genre years ago (before it died out of course). And yes, even MtG, example you gave, jumped in the digital CCG market because of HS’s success.
Shockingly, I read a lot of truth from some of the responses and the creator post.
If you look at the gameplay clips, it seems a bit better than D3, but basically absolutely lacks the important points to put it in the league with D1 and D2.
And how far the depth as an RPG goes can’t even be estimated. I’m more concerned about a work program with daily quests and timed events, which can then be expanded again and are simple to bring in. And then there are bosses here and world bosses there and a nice flood of items and a glow shoulder item, even if it’s just cosmetic, and then we need one more mount on top of the 100 there are.
So everything is more like a spiral, easy to use, easy to expand and pull money out, but certainly not an ARPG as we imagine and wish.
I see the same problems as they exist everywhere… Greed for profit vs. needs and ideas of the people.
https://www.poecurrency.com/news/Tencent-Company-Of-China-Snatched-Up-80-percent-Stake-Of-Grinding-Gear-Games
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Watch out OP
there’s 3 very regular d3 political minds on here who trash d2 and praise d3 and don’t admit that.
2 so far are in this thread.
they do it all the time, its an online internet opinion fight.
The hypocrisy of some knows no bounds. And before anyone says it they are different people. We have seen more than enough of the same people hating on D3 praise PoE for over these issues.
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Oh I know how they do it. They went into depth on how they do asset flips at a GDC a few years back.
And D4 doesn’t seem to be re using assets. If they are they had definately changed them enough to no be copies. It just goes to show the lengths people will go just to complain about nothing.
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Don’t forget Blizzard bows to the Chinese government is bad, despite that’s not what happened, but GGG seeking itself to Tencent, a know provider of infor and spyware for the Chinese government gets a pass.
@Thorodan, once again conflating criticism for hate. When will you ever understand the difference?
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True enough.
Blizzard needs Netease cooperation to publish their game in China due to China’s law = Evil, Kowtow, Lack of Integrity.
Tencent has 80% of GGG share making PoE, PoE Mobile, PoE 2 = Best ARPG company ever. Please don’t mix or bring politics into video games here.
We better stop it or someone’s gonna think were bad mouthing their precious D2 and claiming D3 is the heavens gift to mankind. Despite nothing of the sorts ever said.
Well, the only ones imagining things being said seems to be you two right now 
Got any examples?
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“Watch out OP
there’s 3 very regular d3 political minds on here who trash d2 and praise d3 and don’t admit that.” Already said in this thread about us. You know full well I don’t trash D2. I liked the game, had issues with very specific things, which prevented me replaying other classes or doing anything after beating the game on Hell, that I have been vocal on and I don’t hold David Brevik up as an infallible deity of gaming development. Yet a few D2 faithful constantly interpret that as trashing.
When I ihave time I’ll spelunker into that one PoE thread a while back. There were enough comments there.
Totally bogus statement but you are entitled to your opinion.
Says a D2 fanboy on the D3 forum.
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And one of them has more than 6k posts in the D3 forum. Such “dedication”
Did PoE or unknown/rival company out there paying them to posting anti-D3 in the D3 forum? I wonder what is rate per post here.
It reminds me of that goofball who showed up at Blizzcon one year with his PoE shirt on. He walked in front of Rhykkers stream so that everyone could see his PoP shirt.
- Some of these kids will do or say just about anything to get attention.
The tiny graphical improvements will just not matter after a few days into playing D4 because both the fallen enemies and the monster traits have the same mechanic and physics but just “better looking”. We will always remember them as the “fallen” enemies that we fought since D3 or the same spinning disco lasers that made us jump around in D3. The goblins will literally have the same idea around them - kill them while they try to escape for loot. How is this new? I can’t believe some people are so ignorant.
Change hands, acquired, whatever you want to call it, it is all the same. It means a company now has a new owner, publisher, bosses, etc… And it doesn’t necessarily mean that they suck.
Would you buy a flop of a company? I know I wouldn’t invest in a company that is a flop. I would only invest in firms that would make money. Firms that would be made stronger by the investment.
You just don’t understand how the world of business works. There are many aspects of business that even I don’t understand. But I do know that any investor worth his salt won’t invest a ton of money into companies that are flops.
Something wrong with selling cosmetics items. I see nothing wrong continually supporting a game with cosmetics.
WoW does it with not only sales of the game + expacs but also subscriptions as well. So then cosmetics can work along with buying of D4 + expacs to fund the development of more content for D4.
I still say that I would’ve loved to see Blizz just release the Team Death Match PvP for D3 and watch as the in game testers were proven right again. Where it would’ve been only fun for the short haul. That is unless that is the type of PvP that D3 needed. A PvP that only would only have players playing it for no more than about 2 hours, ever.
Yes and those fallen were inspired by D2. Also the game world has magic. you really believe that hell’s leaders couldn’t empower the denizens of hell with the ability to cast spinning lasers. You want to have it where it is a world of magic. With magic in the world then anything is possible. It doesn’t have to make sense as if it were a world with real physical monsters.
Heck with those rules then the denizens of hell or call them demons of hell wouldn’t be able to do anything magical at all. All physical damaging attacks. If you have high enough physical damage reduction then you won’t get hurt by any monster at all.
Um look closer. The models are not not tiny graphical improvements. They are full blown new assets a d look vastly different. Go look at the 2019 Blizzcon footage of the artist making the treasure goblin and tell me that looks like a tiny graphical improvement.
If you look at somerhing new and think it’s just the same. That’s on you. I see all new models and graphics. Sure they bare similarities but that ties the franchise together. I’m sure if the fallen now looked like pigment and not frail impish enemies(outside the brutes) there would be complaints that the traditional enemies are no longer recognizable and that D4 is doing more to ruin the franchise than D3 did.
Seriously.
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Wait what? D3 literally HAS the best animation/combat fluidity than any other aRPG out there. Name me 1 game who do this better than D3. You won’t find any, trust me.
Also, D3:RoS up until … say S5 was very good. There was legit grind, BiS Legendaries were pretty hard to get, etc.
I agree, now is pretty bad … in terms of content, but D3 bad AS A GAME? Dude please …
Also, to the people saying D4 is D3 2.0 , please put some glasses on. Thanks!
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Yet it happens.
Also in gaming. Look at EA buying successful companies, turning them into flops, again and again.
You certainly also have the opposite, mediocre companies that becomes great after being acquired.
As for buying flops? Well, it is risk/reward. If you can buy a struggling company and turn it around, the reward might be much greater than buying someone already highly succesful. Depends on what you are trying to do of course.
There is one thing I see a lot around here, when it comes to peoples view on businesses. And it would be fun if it wasn’t so sad. It is the idea that businesses are infallible and omniscient. People love to argue that if a company does X, then X must be the right thing to do.
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EA situation was not buying flops and turning them successful then back to flops. Even mediocre companies that become great are not flops. I see if you had a net worth of 100 billion you would invest 95 billion of it into complete flops as gaming companies.
I will illustrate it better, take Michael Jackson. Now would anyone say that the only number one hit he ever had when alive was Thriller? I would say of course not. So Blizz has obviously had a lot of titles that would (if those were songs) would’ve charted either number one or at least in the top ten. Do they stay at that high of a chart for long, maybe not.
No one is infallible, but if a company has been around for 30 years (yes counting Blizz as Silicon and Synapse you have to be doing something right. I don’ t think publishers would sink millions upon millions into a company that doesn’t do anything else but lose money. Blizz makes money year after year.
In fact during the layoff of around 800 employees IIRC Blizz had a record year of profit. So please explain if they don’t know what they are doing as far as making money goes.